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Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by bowsamic »

mixermachine wrote: post #180
bowsamic wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ours blocked Vodafone too. We literally have no wired internet options. Our landlord just forces us to use their extremely slow WiFi Also in Germany

Is that even legal? I always thought a land-line connection is mandatory. I recommend to check the law here :)

I don’t think there is any such law, not that I could find. Telekom refuse to make the connection. They say that if it isn’t there when the apartment is built a new one can’t be added. I live in an attic conversion

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by chaz6 »

As someone who just switched from an IPoE internet service to PPPoE, just make sure your device can cope. I have been using a trusty Ubiquiti Edgerouter Lite 3 for many years without issue. Unfortunately, the Cavium cpu does not support hardware offload for both ipv6 vlan and ipv6 pppoe at the same time.

If you do go down the general-purpose cpu (x64/arm) route and your ISP uses PPPoE, you may need to tweak so that the rx queue is handled by multiple cpu cores as they will default to the first core by default.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by chaz6 »

tecleandor wrote: post #164
microtonal wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why the market needs some regulation. Here in The Netherlands, ISPs are required to offer free (as in freedom) modem/router choice. Not only can you replace the router, you can even use your own XGS-PON/AON/etc. SFP(+) module. For a while I had fiber running through an XGS-PON SFP module in my own Fritz!Box. Now I use the provider's ONT (which is just a fiber ethernet media converter) hooked up to a Unifi Clo…

Any recommended XGS-PON modules? One of my connections here is 10G but I haven't tested any modules...

WAS-110 is the one to go for.

https://pon.wiki/xgs-pon/ont/bfw-solutions/was-110/

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by OptionOfT »

I had to fight with Cox (Fiber to the home) to be able to use my own router, if I wanted unlimited data for free.

To my understanding this is partially for them to push their crowdsourced WiFi, and maybe an easier way to sell you an all-in-one security/internet/TV package.

When I explained that I would just their device as a passthrough, and that it would be a waste to have the device here, she removed it from my account.

Now, what I don't know is HOW they check whether I'm using their device. MAC? Easily copied. Them sending some commands that only their devices can respond to? Yea, that's a bigger problem.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by OptionOfT »

tills13 wrote: post #19

I run my own homelab and have a Ubiquiti gateway (UDM). I would have loved to have the fibre connection come directly into my box uninterrupted but the ISP's modem is required to associate the connection with my account (or something to that effect). Deeply disappointing.

But your UDM doesn't understand fiber, so you'll need the ONT.

Or are you talking about something like a Dream Machine Pro Max where the you'd plug in the fiber into the SFP module?

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by egberts1 »

smitelli wrote: post #92
inyorgroove wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has done this I take issue with characterizing the certificates as stolen. I exploited a security vulnerability in the device's web UI to extract them, from a piece of equipment I paid for. Its my equipment the provider required me to buy it for service, I can do with it as I please. I would be in agreement with it if we were using all this to steal service, we just don't want to use their unstable and…

Having recently cancelled AT&T fiber service, their router (Arris BGW210-700) was definitely still AT&T property and they seemed to have every intention of collecting it from me. They had been charging $10/mo "equipment rental" fees for the entire time. When the prepaid shipping box never arrived, I called them and inquired. The representative told me that, since it was 5+ years old, they didn't want it and I should…

I bought the same ATT router outright.

They'll have to pry it from my cold dead hand when I move.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by egberts1 »

tombert wrote: post #28
RajT88 wrote: post #13

ISP's thanks to a bill cannot charge rental fees anymore: https://www.pcmag.com/news/isps-cant-charge-you-for-using-yo... Unless they come up with a BS security excuse, like cert based auth to their network, which means they claim they cannot offer people to BYOE. I bought an old DSL modem off eBay some years back and tried to get AT&T to waive the rental fee (honestly thinking I was in the clear). They were not havi…

I still have to the use the Verizon Fios ONT, and as far as I know there's no way to avoid that, but at least Verizon hasn't given me any shit for providing my own router. I still get the advertised speeds and it makes me happy to own my own stuff.

But you can bridge the Verizon directly into your own router.

This is how I did it:

https://egbert.net/blog/tags/verizon.html

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by scrose »

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #21

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

I just moved to Oakland and pay $50/month for 10 Gbps fiber with Sonic. I thought that was just the norm here after staying in a few SFH BnBs in the area that all had the same. I’m kinda surprised SF doesn’t have better connectivity. Is the issue just a matter of different regulations increasing cost of installations between the bay?

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by egberts1 »

somat wrote: post #11
egberts1 wrote: post #4

Not too many Fiber-PON routers out there that we can drop Linux OS into.

Most of the time I have seen fiber set up as a dedicate bridge device GPON to ethernet, the Optical Network Terminator(ONT). And honestly, I am fine with this. copper ethernet is much easer to deal. This makes a nice clear demarcation point, the copper past the ONT is yours, everything upstream of that is theirs. Having said that It would be nice to have control over the ONT as well. there are PON sfp optics, that ma…

Smallest packet latency that Ive been able to do with Verizon is to reconfigure the ONT into bridge mode.

https://egbert.net/blog/articles/ports-used-in-verizon-netwo...

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by tombert »

egberts1 wrote: post #187
tombert wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still have to the use the Verizon Fios ONT, and as far as I know there's no way to avoid that, but at least Verizon hasn't given me any shit for providing my own router. I still get the advertised speeds and it makes me happy to own my own stuff.

But you can bridge the Verizon directly into your own router. This is how I did it: https://egbert.net/blog/tags/verizon.html

I'll look into it.

Just an FYI, it appears that the link you provided doesn't work in Chromium? Something to do with TLS...It does seem to work with Firefox.

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