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Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Yeah, that's not a true measure of intelligence.

I don't disagree but they also don't display any of the symptoms laid out in the original post you are replying to. Also I was replying to a person who signed up specifically to make a single troll post so I replied in kind.

Probably don't do that then.

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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One aspect I’m curious about, especially given the younger cohort, is the causal directionality here - especially when I was younger, I knew a lot of people who were self-medicating with cannabis for things like anxiety and ADHD, which also have effects on working memory and executive function. I’ve known enough heavy users long enough that I do believe there’s long term cognitive effects (whether directly or indirec…

most classical ADHD people I’ve met were slightly/very above average IQ types regardless of their symptoms, so my instinct would be told be that the effect may be even more pronounced- they’d probably have to do some controlling via something like looking at PSATs to get a before/after.

There are studies on that topic and no, IQ turns out just slightly lower than typical for ADHD. Sorry, no link at hand, but maybe someone else has it.

Edit: here it is - https://youtu.be/4_BIaLhdkrw which discusses https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11469-019-00125-x

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

#183

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I don't disagree but they also don't display any of the symptoms laid out in the original post you are replying to. Also I was replying to a person who signed up specifically to make a single troll post so I replied in kind.

Probably don't do that then.

You did though

Ah I guess this is one of those "do what I say don't do what I do" situations

Noted

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

most classical ADHD people I’ve met were slightly/very above average IQ types regardless of their symptoms, so my instinct would be told be that the effect may be even more pronounced- they’d probably have to do some controlling via something like looking at PSATs to get a before/after.

There are studies on that topic and no, IQ turns out just slightly lower than typical for ADHD. Sorry, no link at hand, but maybe someone else has it. Edit: here it is - https://youtu.be/4_BIaLhdkrw which discusses https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11469-019-00125-x

https://www.adhdevidence.org/blog/smart-people-can-have-adhd...

I'll edit this to say ADHD exhibits across the IQ spectrum. Smart people cope better and it makes it difficult for diagnosis.

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

#185

Turns out the recreational drugs were never good for you. Is there a single recreational popular >100M user drug that’s good for most? Maybe coffee? It’s a shame there are so many with reduced brain function and IQ. Next thing will be shocking studies showing regular shroom usage is bad too, lol. It is a shame we are in a post truth society. People burying their heads in the sand.

Coffee isn't good either. Probably a lot less bad than weed, though. And it's always brought up, "why is X illegal but coffee isn't?"

I don't drink coffee because I think it tastes gross, but I've certainly had my fair share of caffeine from energy drinks and Diet Coke.

I'm pretty convinced that caffeine masked the more obvious symptoms of sleep apnea for most of my adult life. I think I was getting very bad sleep but since I had always drunk lots of Diet Coke I was able to ignore the symptoms.

I've gotten treatment for my sleep apnea (using the mouthpiece), and I'm caffeine free now, so I think I'm getting better sleep, but who the hell knows what kind of brain damage I have ended up with because I didn't take it seriously.

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Personally, I like it because it reduces the volume, both spacially and temporally, of the thoughts in my immediate working memory so that I can more clearly identify the pipeline of activity that I actually want to do (whether it's work or self-care). I think that this is the reason that people who are later diagnosed with ADHD so often use cannabis to "self-medicate". But it achieves this effect in a way that is su…

You work while high? What will you do when the bossman wants some pee from you?

have you ever been pee tested for work?

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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> That said, I still find potheads completely insufferable. In all fairness, they may find you equally insufferable. And to think, you’re not even a pothead!

Probably true. I just noticed a strong delta of before and after when my friends in high school would get into weed.

I hope I didnt come off as flippant or discounting your experience. I just more meant that its likely due to the differences that led you both to where you were, that the feeling is mutual. And that neither of you would be "wrong" for potentially feeling that way. Just different streams I suppose :)

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Show me a cannabis user without reduced working memory; it's a feature, not a bug.

Why is it a feature and not a bug?

This is 100% my own anecdote but I believe it helps me with my autism.

And I believe that my relative who also has autism and never used cannabis in their life has been impeded by not using it. Just looking at us both now in our 40s, I have a stable career and they are a shut-in on disability.

A lot of things lead us here but at the end of the day I think cannabis gave me a release, a way to let things go, not fret too much.

I remember a meme from early 2000s where cb was represented as a pill that said "fukitol" and honestly that's how it works for me. If it wasn't for cb I would be hyperfocusing on things I can't do anything about.

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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I'm inclined to believe that there is fairly likely to be long-term negative health effects from cannabis use, but that the very obvious correlation many people in this thread can probably identify with their friends in highschool is just that, a correlation, for some reason or series of reasons. My friends who really got into weed at that time were absolutely addicted to it, and some of them I do believe let it affe…

A cynical take on many governments embracing weed is Soma [1].

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma_(Brave_New_World)

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

#190

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Probably true. I just noticed a strong delta of before and after when my friends in high school would get into weed.

I hope I didnt come off as flippant or discounting your experience. I just more meant that its likely due to the differences that led you both to where you were, that the feeling is mutual. And that neither of you would be "wrong" for potentially feeling that way. Just different streams I suppose :)

All good!
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