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Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#181

So about 10% of what Sam was asking the Saudis (and everyone else) for a year ago? That's still a helluva lot of money. Interesting that the UAE (MGX) and Japan (Softbank) are bankrolling the re-industrialization of America.

It made me laugh when Sam said "I'm thrilled that we get to do this in the United States of America", I shouted at the TV 'Yeah you almost had to do it in Saudi Arabia' !!

Here's the presser, Sam is at 9 minutes in.

[0] https://youtu.be/IYUoANr3cMo

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#182

Why are corporations announcing business deals from the White House? There doesn’t seem to be any public ownership/benefit here, aside from potential job creation. Which could be significant. But the American public doesn’t seem to gain anything from this new company.

I thought the business prop for AI was that it eliminates jobs?

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#184

There's a good amount of irony in the results that AI have achieved, particularly if we reach AGI - they have improved individual worker efficiency by removing other workers from the system. Naming it Stargate implies a reckoning with the actual series itself - an accomplishment by humanity. Instead, what this pushes, is accomplishing the removal of humans from humanity. I like cool shiny tech, but I like useful tech…

A rat done bit my sister Nell, with whitey on the moon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitey_on_the_Moon

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#185

Why are corporations announcing business deals from the White House? There doesn’t seem to be any public ownership/benefit here, aside from potential job creation. Which could be significant. But the American public doesn’t seem to gain anything from this new company.

We are currently witnessing the merging of government and corporations. It was bad before but the process is accelerating now.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#186
post #33

It appears this basically locks out Google, Amazon and Meta. Why are we declaring OpenAI as the winner? This is like declaring Netscape the winner before the dust settled. Having the govt involved in this manner can’t be a good thing.

I generally agree that government sponsorship of this could be bad for competition. But Google in particular doesn't necessarily need outside investment to compete with this. They're vertically integrated in AI datacenters and they don't have to pay Nvidia.

Google definitely needs outside investment to spend $500b on capex.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#187

~$125B per year would be 2-3% of all domestic investment. It's similar in scale to the GDP of a small middle income country. If the electric grid — particularly the interconnection queue — is already the bottleneck to data center deployment, is something on this scale even close to possible? If it's a rationalized policy framework (big if!), I would guess there's some major permitting reform announcement coming soon.

They say this will include hundreds of thousands of jobs. I have little doubt that dedicated power generation and storage is included in their plans. Also I have no doubt that the timing is deliberate and that this is not happening without government endorsement. If I had to guess the US military also is involved in this and sees this initiative as important for national security.

Yes, Trump announced this as a massive foreign investment coming into the US: https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1881832899852542082

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#188

Why are corporations announcing business deals from the White House? There doesn’t seem to be any public ownership/benefit here, aside from potential job creation. Which could be significant. But the American public doesn’t seem to gain anything from this new company.

Weird question. Business deals are announced by politicians all the time, especially on overseas trips. Just an example:

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2015-04-10-Presidents-Varela-Ob...

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#189
You'd really think that arguably the leader in generative AI could come up with a unique project name instead of ripping off something extant and irrelevant.

But then again that's their entire business, so I shouldn't be too surprised.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#190

Why are corporations announcing business deals from the White House? There doesn’t seem to be any public ownership/benefit here, aside from potential job creation. Which could be significant. But the American public doesn’t seem to gain anything from this new company.

We are currently witnessing the merging of government and corporations. It was bad before but the process is accelerating now.

there's some pretty good quotes about that by Mussolini. Things are getting bleak at an incredible pace.
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