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Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by elzbardico »

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content.

Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries.

Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content.

Will it keep being a english first space? Will it survive/thrive? How the content is going to evolve? What does this means in terms of global cultural influence? Will we see internationalized Chinese content dominating it? Will this backfire for the US?

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by x0iii »

briffle wrote: post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

There's no room for equality and fairness when it comes to global political rivals especially when there's stone cold evidence of mischief.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by beezlebroxxxxxx »

ellisv wrote: post #12

The ruling isn't surprising, although I almost expected Alito or Thomas to dissent.

From the oral arguments it was immediately obvious that Alito and Thomas had already decided their opinion --- as had the other judges, frankly. They were very skeptical of the ByteDance/petitioner's argument. The Act at issue was written in a very specific way to neuter a lot of their points. Elizabeth Prelogar, representing the US Government, is also an extremely good SC lawyer in oral arguments. A Per Curiam decision is not surprising at all, most people who follow the court were expecting it.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by enos_feedler »

afavour wrote: post #111
briffle wrote: post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

Because China is a rival geopolitical power and the US is... us. It's a national security concern. I get that there's a lot of conversation and debate to be had on the topic but the answer here is very straightforward and I don't understand why people are so obtuse about it.

I don’t understand why people are so obtuse about national security being an excuse. Do we really believe the Chinese are going to infiltrate by way of tiktok when they can hack into our telecom networks or any significant figures individual machines? This is about neutering our biggest global economic threat.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by epolanski »

ternnoburn wrote: post #156
legitster wrote: post #119

TikTok is perhaps the most impressively addictive social media app ever created. The algorithm used in the US was apparently banned in China for being too addictive. There's a certain historic symmetry with how opium was traditionally used in China, then Britain introduced stronger, more disruptive versions, forcing a stronger social reaction. Geopolitics aside, I think everyone is kind of aware that social media is…

I wish it were a reckoning for social media, but reading here shows there's plenty of people here who are passionate about "China bad" and see this only through that one lens. And they seem to think it is strictly about TikTok.

As an European citizen I'm very uneasy with US-based services having my data and I nuked everything from ages bar LinkedIn and HN.

The hard part is de-googling.

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Post by vehemenz »

throwkja wrote: post #80

America has the right to ban since china banned all American tech companies from operating in their nation but this means America could never ever talk about freedom of doing business bs

China bans US businesses because it has an autocratic, ethnocratic government. The US is banning a Chinese business for obvious national security reasons.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by flutas »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #23

I believe Biden says his admin won't enforce the ban, as they only have 1 day left in office after it goes into effect. Trump has signaled he doesn't support the ban, and wants tiktok under american ownership. The legislation allows the president to put a 90 day hold on the ban too. So my guess is that this isn't over yet.

> The legislation allows the president to put a 90 day hold on the ban too.

Only if there is an in-progress divestiture and only before the ban goes into effect.

Aka, TikTok/Biden would have to announce a sale is in process and Biden would have to enact the extension before the 19th.

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