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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by culi »

regularization wrote: post #106
zazazache wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is different from Hamas right to exist compared to the IDF or Likud? Hamas certainly has less blood on their hands!

Especially since Netanyahu was trying to revive Hamas prior to Hamas's attack, in order to starve off Fatah's Palestinian recognition efforts at the UN, according to the New York Times ( https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q... ) Turn on Israeli TV and they're showing the IDF raping prisoners in Sde Teiman. Degenerate behavior from the self-described Jewish state. The US taxpayer is paying the…

And at the same time Netanyahu was holding up maps of all of historical Palestine colored in and labelled as Israel. Clearly trying to provoke things

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by stonesthrowaway »

throwaway7783 wrote: post #20
null_deref wrote: post #6

Yes, eventually. I have tears in my eyes. Enduring more than a year with a preposterous populist government and endless deaths, this nightmare is finally over.

100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by JohnMakin »

null_deref wrote: post #6

Yes, eventually. I have tears in my eyes. Enduring more than a year with a preposterous populist government and endless deaths, this nightmare is finally over.

I don't mean to be pessimistic, but how sure are we its over? They're still bombing as we speak - and yea, I know the cease-fire doesn't come into effect sunday, but doesn't that signal something? Many times Israel has said something in these scenarios they've changed their minds. Cease-fire is not "peace," either. I think for some unfortunate people that survived this, the nightmare may just be beginning. I truly hope I am wrong. We live in dark times.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by Dalewyn »

golergka wrote: post #56

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I agree. In terms of objectives achieved the only one was the release and return of Israeli civilian hostages and even that is still mostly hypothetical, otherwise Israel failed to eliminate Hamas and will be withdrawing from Gaza which Netanyahu had declared would be annexed.

Hamas won the war even if they lost the battle. They still exist to fight another day (and judging from history they absolutely will), at the cost of countless Palestinian civvies. Israel lost the war even if they won the battle, at the cost of significant Israeli lives and reputation.

For most of us outsiders looking on, the moral to take away is this: Don't wage wars, everyone loses. Don't. Wage. Fucking. Wars. If a war must be fought, whether as the aggressor or defender or intervener, realize that everyone involved is fucking retarded and then fight all-or-nothing to end it swiftly with decisive achievements before anyone can realize what happened.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by seizethecheese »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #62
optymizer wrote: post #3

How is this hacker news? From the HN guidelines: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. *If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.*

From the same page of guidelines: > Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it.

Yeah, the irony is the guidelines have weasel words allowing this post but not the comment

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by xg15 »

nick_ wrote: post #55
Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

Realistically, West Bank will be gone (totally settled, all Palestinians removed) in 15 years. Gaza will further be ghettoized and, pessimistically, will be basically gone in 50 years or so.

That's indeed the current trajectory, but then what exactly will happen with the Palestinian population in that scenario? All 5+ million crammed into Gaza? Driven into Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan by force? (which are already refusing to take them today, by threat of military action) What else?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by neoromantique »

bluSCALE4 wrote: post #125
nick_ wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically, West Bank will be gone (totally settled, all Palestinians removed) in 15 years. Gaza will further be ghettoized and, pessimistically, will be basically gone in 50 years or so.

I don't know why this is downvoted. Do people not realize Gaza was razed to the ground?

If Israeli goals really were to displace Palestinians, maybe they'd start within Israel proper first?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by techdragon »

vFunct wrote: post #138
gruez wrote: post #133

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>due to literal IDF agents running newsrooms across the country source? >Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys Are you missing a word here? Or is this intentional?

The NYTimes widely referenced but debunked story “Screams without words” about alleged rapes on October 7 was co-authored by a literal IDF intelligence agent. Also the Atlantic Editor-in-Chief is IDF. More importantly, why are there so few Muslim newsroom editors and reporters jn the US media vs Jewish editors and reporters? Polls immediately after Oct 7 showed college students support Hamas more than Israel, and tha…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by 8note »

wbl wrote: post #164
Thiez wrote: post #158

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Why? I think most of us can recognize they're not necessarily good by our standards, so they're not the good guys. But they are the ones resisting a genocidal apartheid colonialist state, so they're at least better than the Israelis. So if we call Israel the bad guys, that leaves Hamas as... the guys.

They murdered 1,000 civilians in cold blood. They raped, kidnapped and sacked indiscriminately. Arab, Jew, Druze, Thai guest worker. Then they rained missiles indiscriminately on towns and had the gall to complain about getting bombed and besiged. Let's be clear here: The IDF may have committed war crimes by not being careful about targeting or cancelling convoys that had contraband. Hamas deliberately targets civili…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by LeafItAlone »

Thiez wrote: post #158
LeafItAlone wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys Was the second “guys” supposed to have an adjective attached to it?

Why? I think most of us can recognize they're not necessarily good by our standards, so they're not the good guys. But they are the ones resisting a genocidal apartheid colonialist state, so they're at least better than the Israelis. So if we call Israel the bad guys, that leaves Hamas as... the guys.

I ask because it’s not something you generally see. Even your statement added an ellipsis as punctuation.

But no matter; the parent comment was updated and they clarified their opinion by adding “good”.

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