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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by FloorEgg »

seattle_spring wrote: post #101
kiba wrote: post #49

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What a weird take. Elon Musk's reputational downfall is mostly self-inflicted. I say this as a (reluctant) defender of Musk's reputation, ardent even. There's only so many rounds I am going to bat for the truth when the man continues to set his reputation on fire. Well deserved even? Yes.

Ironically, Musk is sane-washed by mainstream pundits of a particular flavor (eg Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson). The only reason someone would think the distaste of Musk's actions are because of "MSM narratives" would be because they get all of their information filtered through the narratives of the aforementioned influencers. Worth noting that their reach nowadays is far higher than traditional news networks like CNN.

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by holoduke »

mbesto wrote: post #58

My friend said it best: "EVs are great second cars" I think we're finally hitting the saturation point of EVs as the market who adopted them is realizing their flaws as a primary vehicle: - Inadequate infrastructure (both localized "my apartment doesn't have a charging station" and more globally "I stopped at a supercharger station and it was full of people so my charge went from 100 kW to 15 kW and took 45 min to ch…

Our diesel truck is our second vehicle we use when we go on long trips or when doing a hike in the forrest. Our model X is used daily. Perfect car. Cheap and reliable. Only 15 bucks for 300 miles.

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Post by johnsimer »

idk1 wrote: post #60
sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

The CEO of Tesla has just called for the UK govenment to free one of the UK's most prominent far-right activists Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon (also known as Tommy Robinson) from prison.

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Post by johnsimer »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #158
secretmark wrote: post #21

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Most people's opinion of Elon, good or bad, is directly informed by his Xeets

I think the point is that they are informed by MSM and reddit reporting on his tweets.

Correct. MSM+reddit reporting of Elon’s tweets is very different from his tweets themselves

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by mrguyorama »

jiggawatts wrote: post #180
mrguyorama wrote: post #161

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How about instead we offer you a $100k "truck" that can't do basic truck things, misses every single claimed feature, and has such poor basic engineering competency that it had at least one whistleblower? Oh and it's stupid ugly as well.

My prediction is that Elon will be forced out of Tesla one way or another and then the company will quietly release a truck that will look vaguely like a Model S, but truck shaped and sized. It will be popular.

CAN Tesla still design cars? They haven't done so in like a decade.

Also Tesla cannot force Elon out, the stock would crater so bad. Also the board is 100% in his pocket, did you not see the nonsense with his "pay package"?

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Post by ikrenji »

ternnoburn wrote: post #34
sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

Plenty of independent, valid reasons to dislike the guy. Some of them are purely political. Some have nothing to do with politics. You might not agree or value these, but that isn't the same as them being invalid : 1) he's an anti-trans right winger. If you aren't, you might dislike him. 2) he's boastful and prideful, which some people find irritating. 3) he lies, constantly about the capabilities and timeliness of h…

11, for an immigrant who overstayed their visa he sure has some spicy views on immigration

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Post by bryanlarsen »

SoftTalker wrote: post #155
floxy wrote: post #128

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>I'd consider owning a very cheap small EV for my daily needs, but not at the prices they command today. Is that due to EV prices or car prices in general? I guess it depends on where you are and what price you pay for electricity. But I also think a lot of people haven't internalized the price inflation of new and used cars in the last 4 years. A second generation Leaf with less that 25k miles can be had for less th…

I should probably sit down and do the math on elecricity vs. gas and the payback time, but for reference I am something of a bottom-feeder when it comes to cars. I have pretty good success with used ICE cars in the $4-6k range. I look for southern cars with no rust/salt damage. They are out there, but you won't find them on Carvana. My current daily driver is a 20 year old Mercedes E class that I bought for $4k. It's…

40 miles is about 10kWh, yes, which would be 11.5kWh at the meter. I pay 7cents/kWh, so you're paying about 10X per mile as I am for fuel. I've driven old BMW's, and I had to budget about $3k/year for maintenance & repairs, I imagine your Merc is similar. So you're spending $400/month for your "cheap" car.

A 3 year old Tesla for 20K would likely save you a considerable amount of money.

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Post by glenndebacker »

idk1 wrote: post #60
sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

The CEO of Tesla has just called for the UK govenment to free one of the UK's most prominent far-right activists Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon (also known as Tommy Robinson) from prison.

Musk has an affinity for figures like this, and he even had some interactions with this particular individual, who is less well-known.

https://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-far-right-prodigy-dr...

Musk tried to frame the situation as if the person was sentenced for sharing memes, but the reality involved more serious charges, including weapons-related offenses.

The same applies to the AFD. In 2022, a group called "Patriotische Union" plotted a coup to overthrow the German government, and several AFD figures were involved in the plan. To now seem him fanboying over AFD is nuts.

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Post by thrlrkah »

throw49123 wrote: post #178
mads wrote: post #159

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No, from apparently RT owned AP news: https://apnews.com/article/europe-butter-prices-40fe30965677... "Across the 27-member European Union, the price of butter rose 19% on average from October 2023 to October 2024, including by 49% in Slovakia, and 40% in Germany and the Czech Republic, according to figures provided to The Associated Press by the EU’s executive arm. Reports from individual countries indicate the cost…

Aaaand, once the root comment was supported by an unassailable link, it was flagged so people can no longer see it but they can just read the snarky Twitter reply. Democracy at work.

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Post by grecy »

pupppet wrote: post #123
dauertewigkeit wrote: post #31

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Why is Musk be loud about his politics worse than other billionaires being quiet but equally active in the political scene? It's good to know where these people stand.

There's a difference between being loud and purchasing a seat at the table.

All the others purchased seats too, they just keep quiet about it.
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