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Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by jjulius »

OutOfHere wrote: post #165
dang wrote: post #82

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The GP comment seems innocuous to me. Taking the thread on a generic tangent about copyright law, spiced with personal putdowns, is clearly not ok.

My right to flag comments was previously unfairly taken away from me. Maybe if I still had this right, I would've just flagged and moved on, but I didn't have this right. I don't even know why it was taken away.

If "Condolences, he seems to have been a principled person" is flaggable to you, then I think you may be letting some very strong beliefs or biases cloud your judgement.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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BillFranklin wrote: post #60

There are some pretty callous comments on this thread. This is really sad. Suchir was just 26, and graduated from Berkeley 3 years ago. Here’s his personal site: https://suchir.net/ . I think he was pretty brave for standing up against what is generally perceived as an injustice being done by one of the biggest companies in the world, just a few years out of college. I’m not sure how many people in his position would…

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Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by hilux »

XorNot wrote: post #142
DevX101 wrote: post #68

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If I'm a whistleblower in an active case and I end up dead before testifying, I absolutely DO want the general public to speculate about my cause of death.

To what, encourage whistleblowers to not come forward because "everyone knows they'll get killed"? The only benefit of turning it into gossip is to dissuade other whistleblowers, without the inconvenience of actually having to kill anyone.

How exactly is post-death gossip going to dissuade other whistleblowers?

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by kamaal »

kube-system wrote: post #71
dgfitz wrote: post #22

I wonder who called to ask about his well-being. The Boeing guy killed himself, this guy apparently killed himself. The pattern of David vs Goliath, where David kills himself, is almost becoming a pattern.

When David is just a nobody, and Goliath has all of the legal and PR resources in the world, Goliath doesn't even have to swing a punch. Goliath can just drive them crazy with social and legal pressure. Also, David might have been a bit of a decision-making outlier to begin with, being the kind of person who decides going up against Goliath is a good idea.

I work with a relative who is in the real estate space here in India and often deals with land shark mafia. The biggest thing I learned from him, to win in these situations is don't fear or not be afraid of consequences.

You need to have ice water flowing in your veins if you are about to mess with something big. At worst you need to have benign neglect for the consequences.

Often fear is the only instrument they have against you. And if you are not afraid, they will likely not contest further. Threat of jail, violence or courts is often what they use to stop you. In reality most people are afraid to go to war this way. Its messy and often creates more problems for them.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by nextworddev »

dtquad wrote: post #24

Interesting that the NYT article about him states that OpenAI started developing GPT-4 before the ChatGPT release. They sure were convinced by the early GPT-2/3 results. >In early 2022, Mr. Balaji began gathering digital data for a new project called GPT-4 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/technology/openai-copyrig...

I think OpenAI officially said GPT4 finished training late 2022 alredy

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Post by tivert »

OutOfHere wrote: post #171
tivert wrote: post #93

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> It is nothing like vaccines. Zero. I can easily imagine a thriving world without copyrights, but I cannot without vaccines. For the record, the world can and did thrive before vaccines were invented, so you don't have to imagine it. Sure there was more sickness and death, but we have plenty of that now, and I doubt you'd consider today's world "not thriving." But ok, then. Imagine that world without copyrights for…

Regarding life without vaccines, the life expectancy could then be very low. Whether this qualifies as "thriving" is subjective. The population as a whole could still thrive, but individuals may not. Regarding your other points: 1. That is a bad argument. Imagine that some people called collectors get to collect royalties from you every time you post a HN comment. Such collectors are paid for moderating comments. Som…

> Regarding life without vaccines, the life expectancy could then be very low. Whether this qualifies as "thriving" is subjective.

The life expectancy would not be "very low" without vaccines. It wasn't especially before they were invented, and it wouldn't be afterwards (especially with modern medicine minus vaccines).

> In essence, if you love to write, go write, but don't expect artificial laws to save you.

All laws are "artificial." You might as well go the full measure, and say if you want to keep what's "yours" defend it yourself. Don't expect some artificial private property laws to save you.

And if writing is turned purely into a hobby of the passionate, they'll be a lot less of it, because the people who are good at it will be forced to expend their energy doing other things to support themselves (if they're a member of the idle rich).

> 2. To my knowledge, Amazon is not known to violate a preexisting GPL license.

You missed the point. Copyright is foundational to the GPL: without it, no GPL. "Amazon is not known to violate a preexisting GPL license," for the same reason they don't print up their own "pirated" copies of the latest bestseller to tell, instead of buying copies from the publisher: it would be illegal.

> 3. This has already happened twice to me, and frankly, I am not worried. I can still carve out my limited focused niche.

It did, did it? Tell the story.

> your beliefs about individual greed would be very different.

What do you mean my "beliefs about individual greed?" Do tell.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by konart »

consumer451 wrote: post #119
bubaumba wrote: post #116

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> European press agencies It's very naive to believe in 'European press'. To get the idea check Ukrainian war coverage. What you'll see first is how single sided it is. This cannot be a coincidence. It can be only a result of total control. I respected 'The Guardians' before, but after eyes opening it appears to be the most brainwashing and manipulative there. Very professionally done, must admit. The problem isn't j…

> It's very naive to believe in 'European press'. To get the idea check Ukrainian war coverage. What you'll see first is how single sided it is. This is such a wild take from my POV, a person in the EU. Have you considered the possibility that the nearest imperialist power beginning to violently invade Europe again is likely to trigger a common reaction? This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there i…

>This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there is a clear right vs. wrong.

There is no right or wrong in politics.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by bryan0 »

xvector wrote: post #118

Metapost - Reading the (civilized!) comments on HN vs those on Reddit is such a contrast. I'm a bit worried that while regulators are focusing on X/Facebook/Instagram/etc. from a moderation perspective, not one regulator seems to be looking at the increasingly extreme and unmoderated rhetoric on Reddit. People are straight up braying for murder in the comments there. I'm worried that one of the most visited sites in…

Interesting you say that about HN, because reading this (and other) threads I have the opposite view: HN is devolving into Reddit-like nonsense.
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