UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

Post by mikeyouse » Wed, Dec 04, 2024, 4:06 PM UTC

oceanplexian wrote: post #131

mikeyouse wrote: post #53

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Nah, it's an onerous process but plenty of people have concealed carry permits in NYC.

The NYC carry permit is useless and designed that way so the city can lie to the courts and tell them people have the right to carry. You can't carry in like 90% of Manhattan even with the permit. Even carrying in your own apartment is prohibited without an additional permit.

Post by kasey_junk » Wed, Dec 04, 2024, 4:07 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #164

kasey_junk wrote: post #159

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Your argument started by talking about loose laws for firearm purchases. Not about being “physically capable” of. It then transitioned directly to talking about suppressor availability. I think it’s reasonable to point out that they are different legal regimes if only for other people confused by your abrupt and silent transition away from talking about laws.

Fair points, I simply don't (subjectively, imho, ymmv) believe it is that hard, legally or illegally, to acquire or possess firearms and accessories for them in most US jurisdictions. "The purpose of the system is what it does" sort of thing. Appreciate the discussion! "Don't break the law" PSA.

Post by mikeyouse » Wed, Dec 04, 2024, 4:09 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #94

mikeyouse wrote: post #87

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Lol what? Neighbors and loose friends buy guns from each other all the time. In Michigan at least, you only even need a permit if it's a handgun -- rifles and shotguns don't require an iota of state involvement and as long as you're reasonably sure the buyer isn't a prohibited person, there's no real liability either.

Only if you're idiots. Edit: Especially the kind that would post about it on the internet and snitch on themselves and attract undue attention from the ATF. But yeah, some very small percentage of people are stupid and/or criminal. 99.99% of gun purchases in the US happen through an FFL with a background check and everything.

Post by tzs » Wed, Dec 04, 2024, 4:10 PM UTC

DebtDeflation wrote: post #18

sbelskie wrote: post #4

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/04/us/brian-thompson-united-heal... > A gunman, who investigators tell CNN was waiting for some time before Thompson’s arrival, opened fire from 20 feet away firing multiple times, striking Thompson. This from CNN makes it sound like it could possibly be targeted, though there are very few details at this time and sometimes these things are misreported in the immediate aftermath.

NYPD is calling it targeted. The assassin was waiting for him outside the hotel for awhile and had a bike stashed in a nearby alley to escape.

Post by rthrfrd » Wed, Dec 04, 2024, 4:12 PM UTC

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #162

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This entire line of thinking just seems to be essentially advocacy for a return to that exact system. "Do what we want or we'll go back to random murder". I wonder if the original commenter would have put the same comment if the article were "man shoots his wife and her lover on discovery of adultery"

I don't know about the original commenter, but societies only work when the vast majority weigh the cost and benefit they derive from the status quo against the cost and potential benefit they incur by fighting against it, and decide that they're better off playing along. Rightly or wrongly, we now have a situation where a lot of people believe that they no longer benefit from society, and are in fact harmed by it, w…