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AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably

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Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

guappa wrote: post #179
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #178

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I'm Greek. English. Italian. It's all Latin to me.

I still don't know if you refer to the original play or the italian film about it.

Yes you do:

Oedipus Rex, also known by its Greek title, Oedipus Tyrannus (Ancient Greek: Οἰδίπους Τύραννος, pronounced [oidípuːs týrannos]), or Oedipus the King, is an Athenian tragedy by Sophocles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_Rex

And I'm perfectly aware that you're trying, hard, to make some sarcastic point, but that's what everybody in the English-speaking world calls it. Or did you want to talk about it in Greek? I'm fine with that. After all, it was in Greek that I've watched it, as a child, here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Theatre_of_Epidaurus

Did you think that I'm just name-dropping a Greek tragedy to appear erudite and culturrred? Again: I'm Greek. I grew up with that stuff. They even teach us some of it in school (Antigone, for one).

Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably

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Post by defrost »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #181
guappa wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't know if you refer to the original play or the italian film about it.

Yes you do: Oedipus Rex, also known by its Greek title, Oedipus Tyrannus (Ancient Greek: Οἰδίπους Τύραννος, pronounced [oidípuːs týrannos]), or Oedipus the King, is an Athenian tragedy by Sophocles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_Rex And I'm perfectly aware that you're trying, hard, to make some sarcastic point, but that's what everybody in the English-speaking world calls it. Or did you want to talk about it…

This is like watching a pair of frogs not named Euripides nor Aeschylus farting bubbles in a pond.

Βάτραχοι ?

( Also not cultured )

Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably

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Post by netdevphoenix »

I-M-S wrote: post #144
sirspacey wrote: post #139

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Film is such a nascent art form. The 90s as “peak blockbuster action” is a valid stance on taste but hard to defend as superior to all that came after. Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight is leagues aways from the 90s Batman, as an auteur friendly and obvious comparison. Pixar another on the animation front. There have been great films made in every era, but the trend towards tighter writing, more legible and compelling…

I hope you're referring to Joel Schumacher's kitschy drivel, and not to Tim Burton's masterpieces (both of which are IMO vastly superior to Nolan's take on the subject).

It would be nice if people actually stated why is x better than y rather than expecting everyone to hold the same opinion as them. Makes for better conversations.

I don't get why people having this narrowminded view of literature/movies, you don't see it that much in culinary conversations

Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably

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Post by netdevphoenix »

spacechild1 wrote: post #175
netdevphoenix wrote: post #172

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You are assuming that it is objectively true that "Harry Potter is better than Ulysses, AC/DC is better than Carla Frey". What is your basis for that? And what is your definition of "better"?

If all, they are assuming the opposite.

My point stands

Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably

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Post by snapcaster »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #184
spacechild1 wrote: post #175

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If all, they are assuming the opposite.

My point stands

I get the point you're trying to make, and in some philosophical sense you're right. In reality though, people into a field are able to rank quality extremely well and it doesn't end up being the puzzle you're implying it is

Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

defrost wrote: post #182
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you do: Oedipus Rex, also known by its Greek title, Oedipus Tyrannus (Ancient Greek: Οἰδίπους Τύραννος, pronounced [oidípuːs týrannos]), or Oedipus the King, is an Athenian tragedy by Sophocles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_Rex And I'm perfectly aware that you're trying, hard, to make some sarcastic point, but that's what everybody in the English-speaking world calls it. Or did you want to talk about it…

This is like watching a pair of frogs not named Euripides nor Aeschylus farting bubbles in a pond. Βάτραχοι ? ( Also not cultured )

No, that's like watching you and the other guy trying to troll me and that's not making you look as cool as you think.

Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably

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Post by freejazz »

tombert wrote: post #128
freejazz wrote: post #127

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Paintings aren't made at the "pixel" level and I think your distinction is especially humorous considering the context.

I mean a literal PAINTing is made with paint, obviously. If you were to try and create a robot hand that painted as well as humans that would probably comparably difficult to any other task involving a human hand. I was saying that we solve the AI art problem by skipping straight to an end state (pixels) instead of the same mechanism a human might.

> that would probably comparably difficult to any other task involving a human hand

Wow, gee. Go figure!

I'm curious, have you been to a museum that has good old paintings? I don't think you can replace paintings with pixel art.

Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably

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Post by freejazz »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #183
I-M-S wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you're referring to Joel Schumacher's kitschy drivel, and not to Tim Burton's masterpieces (both of which are IMO vastly superior to Nolan's take on the subject).

It would be nice if people actually stated why is x better than y rather than expecting everyone to hold the same opinion as them. Makes for better conversations. I don't get why people having this narrowminded view of literature/movies, you don't see it that much in culinary conversations

Ah yes, "I like things that are more entertaining" has provided so much value.

Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably

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Post by tombert »

freejazz wrote: post #187
tombert wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean a literal PAINTing is made with paint, obviously. If you were to try and create a robot hand that painted as well as humans that would probably comparably difficult to any other task involving a human hand. I was saying that we solve the AI art problem by skipping straight to an end state (pixels) instead of the same mechanism a human might.

> that would probably comparably difficult to any other task involving a human hand Wow, gee. Go figure! I'm curious, have you been to a museum that has good old paintings? I don't think you can replace paintings with pixel art.

You’re being kind of an ass, which is fine but I just felt it should be acknowledged.

Of course I’ve been to an art museum.

I’m not sure what you mean by “pixel art”? Given enough pixels, you can scan a painting and represent it on a screen well enough.

Have you not played with Stable Diffusion or Midjourney or anything? It doesn’t just give you SNES sprites.

Re: AI poetry is indistinguishable from human poetry and is rated more favorably

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Post by cguess »

npinsker wrote: post #94
hgomersall wrote: post #41

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It can be obvious and go to the heart. I'm not sure Wilfred Owen's Dulce et decorum est is anything other than straight down the line, but it made me cry when I first read it. That said, maybe the subversion is in how the reality is contrasted with the marketing.

I see 'subversion' as more broad. In good poetry, subversion is constantly happening at a micro level, through playing with meaning, meter, word choice. I think it's very easy to identify AI-generated poetry because it lacks any of that -- but on the flip side, if you don't understand the rules, you don't understand how to subvert them. Even in Dulce et decorum est -- though the meaning's straightforward, there are p…

Even the last line of the poem is a twist on expectations and plays on the irony of nationalism and patriotism, the beautiful latin phrase that inspires young men and the harsh reality of trench warfare that it leads them into. No LLM is going to do that.
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