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Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems

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Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems

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Post by dhorthy »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #149
dhorthy wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i am for now. Been casually on the lookout for some other super dope builders but it's not a process you can control outside passive looking, and definitely not something to rush

glad yc is still funding solo devs.

we are certainly out here

Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems

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Post by Hackbraten »

Required reading for everyone considering a human-in-the-loop system:

https://pluralistic.net/2024/10/30/a-neck-in-a-noose/#is-als...

I wish OP the best of luck with their product. I still think that the points Doctorow has made are important to know and consider beforehand.

Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems

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Post by auxten »

I think Human Layer is a great idea. Recently, my baby turned one year old, which made me reflect on many issues. We train AI with a lot of data but overlook the impact that decades of seemingly useless data from human growth experiences have on our brain development. As a result, humans still have an incomparable advantage over LLMs in terms of the so-called "big picture." For example, a recent experience I had was when I asked Claude 3.5-sonnet to write a bash script; it inadvertently modified the PATH variable, costing me a lot of time to fix it. Such attention to detail in work is difficult to avoid through vector db recall or manual context completion. But I believe that a true bash expert would not make such mistakes.

Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems

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Post by fldskfjdslkfj »

dang wrote: post #127
yoyopete wrote: post #85

Oh look! Corrupt Dang made another launch HN a top post. So much corruption on this website.

Launch HNs for YC startups get placed on the front page. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html . The instructions for YC founders are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/yli.html , if anyone wants to take a look. I think most people here consider it fair that HN gives certain things back to YC in exchange for funding it.

Ideally these posts should have some sort of "promoted" tag next to them.

Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems

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Post by fldskfjdslkfj »

The biggest problem is that a lot of times "approval" requires domain knowledge / specific training so handing it off to some random dude will result in lots of errors, no better than just having some AI model decide.

Not to mention anything that requires a quicker response rate.

Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems

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Post by usbsea »

10c per slack API call. I could make a mobile phone call for less than that in 1995. It is expensive...

IFTTT, Zapier, NodeRed, etc. are your competitors.

E.g.

https://ifttt.com/applets/J75VtBA9-get-an-email-when-a-webho... -> https://ifttt.com/applets/KWqQedih-make-a-web-request-when-i.... They have lots of AI things too.

The problem is you are saying "API" call so you are already dealing with devs. They can save $10k by writing their own Slack integration (even easier if they pay IFTTT $150/y), and the enterprises will want you to be all FedRAMP, ISO, SOC, Data Resident etc.

Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems

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Post by usbsea »

fldskfjdslkfj wrote: post #186

The biggest problem is that a lot of times "approval" requires domain knowledge / specific training so handing it off to some random dude will result in lots of errors, no better than just having some AI model decide. Not to mention anything that requires a quicker response rate.

I get the impression the "random dude" is the expert you are already paying $100k/yr for. It sends them a slack message, email, etc. The sales pitch is you don't have to code that microservice so you can ship your AI a bit faster. Which is fair enough, since most SaaS is 99% other PaaS/SaaS + some core unique business factor thrown on top. However I worry about how much this company is charging. It is pricey.

Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems

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Post by [deleted] »

dhorthy wrote: post #2

P.S. nobody asked but since you made it this far - the next big problem in this space is fast becoming, what else do we need to be able to build these "headless" or "outer loop" AI agents? Most frameworks do a bad job of handling any tool call that would be asynchronous or long running (imagine an agent calling a tool and having to hang for hours or days while waiting for a response from a human). Rewiring existing f…

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Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems

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Post by davedx »

chalkycrimp wrote: post #19

Startup owner using AI with this need - needless to say, a real problem. I've considered DIYing an internal service for this - even if we went with you we'd probably have an intern do a quick and dirty copy, which I rarely advocate for if I can offload to SAAS. I'm sure you've put a fair bit of work into this that goes well beyond the human interaction loop, but that's really all we need. Your entry price is steep (I…

Classic HN comment, almost a carbon copy of the Dropbox one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224
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