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Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by pnw »

Galaxeblaffer wrote: post #30
ksec wrote: post #16

Before I go into rage mode, I suppose I should ask, why Farmland? Both Denmark and Netherland are big in agriculture export and they are very good at it. I am not against planting trees but it on top of farm land doesn't make any sense to me.

Denmarks agricultural performance is not great at all. it's way too expensive to produce stuff. if it wasn't for EU subsidies the agricultural sector in Denmark would loose over 50% of their profits. To drive the point home the agricultural sector in Denmark only makes up 3.6% of the bnp and 4.3% of exports while taking up 60% of Denmarks total area and employing around 3.9% of the working population. i think Denmark…

What's your source for 4.3% of exports? This source says 22%.

https://agricultureandfood.dk/media/m1qfuuju/lf-facts-and-fi...

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by Retric »

ramblenode wrote: post #177
Retric wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demand for war materials goes up in a war, but the population and thus food demand isn’t going to drastically spike. There’s a reasonable argument for having a food stockpile in case of emergencies, but extra farmland is harder to justify.

You are going to stockpile years worth of food for an entire country?

No, if you expect farmland to produce 0 food then having extra farmland is pointless. 0 * 2 X = 0 * X = 0.

The point of extra farmland is to make up for some expected shortfall, but you’re better off stockpiling food during productive periods than have reserve capacity for use when something else is going wrong.

PS: It is common to have quite large stockpiles of food. Many crops come in once a year and then get used up over that year. But that assumes a 1:1 match between production and consumption, a little extra production = quite a large surplus in a year.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by jojobas »

logtrees wrote: post #165

Tree logging is one of my favorite new jobs that will exist in the future.

There are already tree harvesters that start with a standing tree and end on a ready log with waste mulched. It's only a matter of time it's AI controlled.

The future has no jobs.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #171

Incidentally this is one of the approaches described in Kim Robinson's The Ministry for the Future, a novel on climate change (more about the political ramifications of it than the ecological impacts). Interesting read.

Before anyone jumps into this book I would caution against it. This book had many very cool ideas and moments. The way it played out felt very "real". However, in the end there was very little actual story and was very boring at times. I actively dislike Neal Stephenson but if you want a near-future climate story I would recommend Termination Shock over Ministry For The Future. Just a random internet person's two cents.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by idunnoman1222 »

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #86
cpursley wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool. Now compare cow farts to all other sources, that’s the only metric that matters.

A quick search shows that global c02 emissions are about 35 billion tons. So the cow farts are a bit less than 8%. That isn't insignificant.

You can actually reduce how much methane cows produced by changing their feed by like 80% or something

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by insane_dreamer »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #184
insane_dreamer wrote: post #171

Incidentally this is one of the approaches described in Kim Robinson's The Ministry for the Future, a novel on climate change (more about the political ramifications of it than the ecological impacts). Interesting read.

Before anyone jumps into this book I would caution against it. This book had many very cool ideas and moments. The way it played out felt very "real". However, in the end there was very little actual story and was very boring at times. I actively dislike Neal Stephenson but if you want a near-future climate story I would recommend Termination Shock over Ministry For The Future. Just a random internet person's two cen…

I agree it doesn't have much of a story. It reads much more like a non-fictional recounting of events, but provides a lot of food for thought about how things might unfold. Just don't approach it like your typical novel.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by insane_dreamer »

cpursley wrote: post #31
mdorazio wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where else would you like them to plant trees? Tearing up residential areas to convert to forest would be massively expensive and likely unpopular.

Places that used to be forested and are not productive farmland. There’s lots of places like this, just maybe not in Denmark.

> just maybe not in Denmark

exactly, and we're talking about Denmark, after all

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by jopsen »

ksec wrote: post #16

Before I go into rage mode, I suppose I should ask, why Farmland? Both Denmark and Netherland are big in agriculture export and they are very good at it. I am not against planting trees but it on top of farm land doesn't make any sense to me.

> why Farmland?

Because trees don't grow well in the ocean? :)

There is developed areas (cities/towns/industry) and farm land.

Most of the land not suitable for farming was turned into farm land. Through extremely hard work over the past 150 years. Like straightening rivers, draining marshes, and planting up the heath.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by whatwhaaaaat »

chipdart wrote: post #57
Galaxeblaffer wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Denmarks agricultural performance is not great at all. it's way too expensive to produce stuff. if it wasn't for EU subsidies the agricultural sector in Denmark would loose over 50% of their profits. To drive the point home the agricultural sector in Denmark only makes up 3.6% of the bnp and 4.3% of exports while taking up 60% of Denmarks total area and employing around 3.9% of the working population. i think Denmark…

> Denmarks agricultural performance is not great at all. it's way too expensive to produce stuff. if it wasn't for EU subsidies the agricultural sector in Denmark would loose over 50% of their profits. Agriculture in the EU is renowned for not being financially unjustified. For decades it's been a finantial no-brainer to import the bulk of agricultural products from south America and Africa. This is not new or the re…

Let me get this right. To save the planet Denmark wants to stop producing food locally and instead import more? So those pig farts gotta go but the bunker fuel used to ship grain from a slash and burn rainforest farm in Brazil is a-ok.

Utterly brain dead. So much so that you know someone’s getting paid from these decisions.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by manvillej »

JacobJeppesen wrote: post #162

I've seen a bit of confusion regarding this. First, it's 10% of Denmark's total land area, which is roughly equivalent to 15% of farmland area. Second, the conversion of farmland area into nature and forests is mainly for improving water quality, as excess nitrogen from agriculture has essentially killed the rivers and coastal waters through oxygen depletion from algae. Regarding global warming and CO2, the area conv…

I am very conflicted on a carbon tax for the agriculture industry. It is going to sidle a cost to an industry of razor thin margins. The transition from regenerative agriculture is expensive & rising food costs has a destabilizing effect.

There need to be changes, but I am not convinced that this will have the desired effects. Its quite possible this leads to a net conversion of farmland to residential or commercial property rather than nature.

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