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I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by arcanemachiner »

seanhunter wrote: post #153
smitelli wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I distinctly remember a captcha which asked me to identify fire hydrants. Some of the pictures were hydrants, while others were standpipes. These are different things, and I answered accordingly. The service refused to acknowledge my humanity until I relented that a standpipe was a hydrant. If at some future date any of us burn to death due to an automated fire truck that misbehaved due to this, we’ll know why.

Yup - I recognize this problem. I am a motorcyclist and I frequently have to grit my teeth and misidentify scooters as motorcycles if I want to get past captcha. For non-bikers, a scooter has an automated gearbox and small wheels etc. Think vespa. In the UK at least they are generally a different category of license, although that's because of the size of a standard scooter engine.

My rationale is that they're teaching cars what things they shouldn't drive into, so I'm pretty liberal with what constitutes a motorcycle, including the person on top.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by burningChrome »

nmarinov wrote: post #167
RobMurray wrote: post #74

I am also blind. hCaptcha is the worst. Their stupid cookie expires so I have to go through their getting an email to set the cookie almost every time I encounter one. It's a horrendous UX, especially when using different devices and browsers. I imagine others just give up instead of dealing with the crap. They shouldn't use the word accessibility when their whole service is the exact opposite. The bots can probably…

What's the best captcha regarding accessibility?

None.

There are no "best" version of captcha. I've worked on several large scale projects where captcha was floated and then quickly abandoned in favor of other methods like Honeypot or using other methods to weed out bots and other 3rd party agents.

If you have to use captcha the least worst are probably reCaptcha V2 and hCaptcha for accessibility.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

jachee wrote: post #174
seanhunter wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup - I recognize this problem. I am a motorcyclist and I frequently have to grit my teeth and misidentify scooters as motorcycles if I want to get past captcha. For non-bikers, a scooter has an automated gearbox and small wheels etc. Think vespa. In the UK at least they are generally a different category of license, although that's because of the size of a standard scooter engine.

It's a squares/rectangles issue. Scooters are cycles that have motors, and are thus motorcycles in the most-inclusive definition of such.

FWIW, I went out looking for a better category (something more like "two-wheeler" but without the engine), and discovered that Wikipedia actually agrees that scooters are motorcycles.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by andrepd »

oniony wrote: post #115
andrepd wrote: post #72

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If you think you're failing the captchas because you're doing them wrong, think again. Google captcha intentionally fails you a couple times if they don't have enough tracking info to determine that you're legit. So you solve the captcha correctly but are still lied to that "you've failed to solve the captcha, try again". That and the "fading images slowly to pretend like you have bad internet" thing. Disgusting beha…

Maybe they purposely load the images slowly to make it more expensive for the bot owners.

They don't. They load the images and then have js to fade them slooooowly. It's pernicious precisely because of that: its purpose is to annoy humans while being completely useless to thwart bots.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by kelnos »

RobMurray wrote: post #110
Scarblac wrote: post #102

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These are already users that want to let the company know that they are blind in order to qualify for special treatment. In that case showing the certificate doesn't seem to be much of an extra privacy issue to me.

Accessibility isn't special treatment! As I said before I would never provide proof of identity to simply access a website.

> Accessibility isn't special treatment!

Perhaps not in all cases, but it can be. This article is literally about special treatment for accessibility purposes.

It's of course debatable if this is how things should be, but that's another discussion.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by lostlogin »

wccrawford wrote: post #142
itishappy wrote: post #108

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Does DHL delivery via yellow busses?

Does anyone deliver anything except people via "busses"?

Despite the name, you can’t deliver people over the Universal Serial Bus.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by wslh »

Rastonbury wrote: post #14

Some captchas are getting pretty discriminatory, not everyone lives in the West and can identify the objects they are asking you to. Another recent one sticks out where they asked me to pick a shape as the same number of conoids on screen. If you ask people on a street what a conoids I bet a significant amount will give you blank looks Also at least now I know some people call those markings crosswalks

> Some captchas are getting pretty discriminatory, not everyone lives in the West and can identify the objects they are asking you to.

Honestly, even living in the West, sometimes I feel like they expect me to have an IQ of 200 just to pass! And, I am sure I pass the Turing test without issues.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by ayewo »

crazygringo wrote: post #177
Rastonbury wrote: post #14

Some captchas are getting pretty discriminatory, not everyone lives in the West and can identify the objects they are asking you to. Another recent one sticks out where they asked me to pick a shape as the same number of conoids on screen. If you ask people on a street what a conoids I bet a significant amount will give you blank looks Also at least now I know some people call those markings crosswalks

I am Googling "conoid" right now and I still can't even imagine what it's supposed to be. The Google dictionary says it's a zoological term "approximately conical in shape". The Wikipedia panel says "In geometry a conoid is a ruled surface, whose rulings fulfill the additional conditions: All rulings are parallel to a plane, the directrix plane. All rulings intersect a fixed line, the axis." The graphics are... nothi…

Using the touch pad to long-press on the text "conoid" in my browser brought up the built-in dictionary definition on macOS:

> conoid | ˈkəʊnɔɪd | mainly Zoology adjective (also conoidal | kəʊˈnɔɪd(ə)l | ) approximately conical in shape.

> noun a conoid object: her hull was a conoid, tapering towards the bow.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Toorkit wrote: post #152
ta1243 wrote: post #147

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Well yes, how else do you get the mail?

Those are called Vans.

In the US.

And then there's "shuttle", I believe the US has at least one kind of thing called "shuttle" for every possible mode of transport, including orbital flight.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by recursive »

ayewo wrote: post #188
crazygringo wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am Googling "conoid" right now and I still can't even imagine what it's supposed to be. The Google dictionary says it's a zoological term "approximately conical in shape". The Wikipedia panel says "In geometry a conoid is a ruled surface, whose rulings fulfill the additional conditions: All rulings are parallel to a plane, the directrix plane. All rulings intersect a fixed line, the axis." The graphics are... nothi…

Using the touch pad to long-press on the text "conoid" in my browser brought up the built-in dictionary definition on macOS: > conoid | ˈkəʊnɔɪd | mainly Zoology adjective (also conoidal | kəʊˈnɔɪd(ə)l | ) approximately conical in shape. > noun a conoid object: her hull was a conoid, tapering towards the bow.

Yeah, that's the zoological definition again.
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