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Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by poszlem »

elorant wrote: post #119
thefourthchime wrote: post #93

For years I've kept a list of apps / ideas / products I may do someday. I never made the time, with Cursor AI I have already built one, and am working on another. It's enabling me to use frameworks I barely know, like React Native, Swift, etc.. The first prompt (with o1) will get you 60% there, but then you have a different workflow. The prompts can get to a local minimum, where claude/gpt4/etc.. just can't do any be…

Good luck debugging it on production.

This is such a lazy, pointless comment that doesn't add anything to the conversation. It's also way off base about what LLMs can actually do, and the fact that they're pretty handy for debugging production code too.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by ipaddr »

fragmede wrote: post #74
ipaddr wrote: post #51

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I asked Claude AI to make me an app and it refused and called it dangerous. I asked what kind of apps they could build and they suggested social media or health. So I asked it to make one but it refused too dangerous. I asked it to make anything.. anything app and it refused. I told it it sucked and it said it didn't. Then I deleted my account. I can't think of a worse llm than Claude.

Tbh this sounds like a skill issue.

I'm having great success with OpenAI, local llms. I've created semi popular open source project that uses complex prompts to create specialized crms from just a few words.

If ClaudeAI can't create something from my prompts or their own suggestions that's on Claude. Maybe it was my new account on that day at that time. There was a 10 response limit too which made it unworth it to even bother with.

First account I ever actually deleted instead of just never going back. It was that bad.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by julianeon »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #61
njtransit wrote: post #27

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Can you share some examples?

ThumbnailGenius.com (has a ton of new features I haven’t pushed yet as I wait for approval from a payment processor) MetHacker.io (has a lot of features I had to remove because of X API’s new pricing - see /projects on it) GoUnfaked.com PlaybookFM.com TokenAI.dev (working with blowfish to remove the warning flag)

The most impressive part of this is your ideas, btw. I don't think for most people LLM's are nearly as effective, because they can't think of use cases.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by thefourthchime »

senorrib wrote: post #164
Sakos wrote: post #148

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All the projects I've been able to start and make progress in in the past year vs the ten years before that are substantive enough proof for me that you're wrong in pretty much all of your arguments. My direct experience proves statements like "the lower knowledge requirement is an illusion" and "it takes much more effort to review code than to write it" wrong. I do code reviews all the time. I write code all the tim…

It’s baffling to see all the ignorant answers to this thread, OP. My experience has been similar to yours, and I’ve been pushing complex software to production for the past 20 years. Feels like a bunch o flat earth arguments; they’d rather ignore evidence (or even try out by themselves) to keep the illusion that you need to write it all yourself for it to be “high quality”.

Thanks, my guess is that many complaining about the technology haven't honestly tried to embrace it.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by senorrib »

imiric wrote: post #167
senorrib wrote: post #164

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It’s baffling to see all the ignorant answers to this thread, OP. My experience has been similar to yours, and I’ve been pushing complex software to production for the past 20 years. Feels like a bunch o flat earth arguments; they’d rather ignore evidence (or even try out by themselves) to keep the illusion that you need to write it all yourself for it to be “high quality”.

Or, hey, maybe we've just had different experiences, and are using these tools differently? I even concede that I may not be great at prompting, which could be the cause of my problems. I'm not arguing that writing everything yourself leads to higher quality. I'm arguing that _in my experience_ a) it takes more time and effort to read, troubleshoot and fix code generated by these tools than it would take me to actual…

I wasn’t targeting this specifically at you or your individual experience. However, I did hear the same arguments you make ad nauseam, and they usually come from people that are either just too skeptical, or don’t put the effort required to use the tool.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by rtsil »

thefourthchime wrote: post #184
senorrib wrote: post #164

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It’s baffling to see all the ignorant answers to this thread, OP. My experience has been similar to yours, and I’ve been pushing complex software to production for the past 20 years. Feels like a bunch o flat earth arguments; they’d rather ignore evidence (or even try out by themselves) to keep the illusion that you need to write it all yourself for it to be “high quality”.

Thanks, my guess is that many complaining about the technology haven't honestly tried to embrace it.

Or denial/rejection is natural defense reaction for people who feel threatened.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by fragmede »

imiric wrote: post #167
senorrib wrote: post #164

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It’s baffling to see all the ignorant answers to this thread, OP. My experience has been similar to yours, and I’ve been pushing complex software to production for the past 20 years. Feels like a bunch o flat earth arguments; they’d rather ignore evidence (or even try out by themselves) to keep the illusion that you need to write it all yourself for it to be “high quality”.

Or, hey, maybe we've just had different experiences, and are using these tools differently? I even concede that I may not be great at prompting, which could be the cause of my problems. I'm not arguing that writing everything yourself leads to higher quality. I'm arguing that _in my experience_ a) it takes more time and effort to read, troubleshoot and fix code generated by these tools than it would take me to actual…

So link chats where you've run into the very real limitations these things have. What language you're using, what framework you're in, what library it hallucinated. I'm not interested in either of us shouting past each other, I genuinely want to understand how your experience, which is not at all lesser than mine, is so different. Am I ignoring flaws that you otherwise can't overlook? Are you expecting too much from it with too little input? Without details, all we can do is describe feelings at each other and get frustrated when the other person's experience is different. Might as well ask your star sign while we're at it.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by fragmede »

ipaddr wrote: post #182
fragmede wrote: post #74

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Tbh this sounds like a skill issue.

I'm having great success with OpenAI, local llms. I've created semi popular open source project that uses complex prompts to create specialized crms from just a few words. If ClaudeAI can't create something from my prompts or their own suggestions that's on Claude. Maybe it was my new account on that day at that time. There was a 10 response limit too which made it unworth it to even bother with. First account I ever…

Oh I didn't realize ChatGPT was working for you while Claude was not. It's just interesting because my experience is that claude is better at coding than ChatGPT-4o.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by max6zx »

WhatIsDukkha wrote: post #175
rossvor wrote: post #173

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With your analogy I would be the one saying that I'm still not convinced that skis are faster than snowshoes. I still use ChatGPT/Claude/Llama daily for both code generation and other things. And while it sometimes does do exactly what I want it to, and I feel more productive, it still seems to waste my time an almost an equal amount of time, and I have to give up on it and rewrite it manually or do a google search/r…

I use - Rust, aider.chat and I thoughtfully limit the context of what I'm coding (on 2 of 15 files). I ./ask a few times to get the context setup. I let it speculate on the path ahead but rein it in with more conservative goals. I then say "let's carefully and conservatively implement this" (this is really important with sonnet as its way too eager). I get to compile by doing ./test a few times, there is sometimes a…

Do you mind sharing how much experience you have with the tech stack that have generated code? What I found with LLM is the perspective for AI generated code is different depends on your own experience, and I would like to know whether it is only my experience.

I have more than 20 years with backend development and just some limited experience with frontend tech stacks. I tried using LLM initially with for frontend in my personal project. I found that code generation by LLM are so good. It produces code that works immediately with my vague prompts. It happily fixes any issue that I found pretty quick and correct. I also have enough knowledge to tweak anything that I need so at the end of the day, I can see that my project work as expected. I feel really productive with it.

Then I slowly start using LLM for my backend projects at work. And I was so suprise that the experience was completely opposite. Both ChatGPT and Claude generated code that either bad practice or have flaw, or just ignore instructions in my prompt to come back to bad solutions after just a few questions. It also fails to apply common practices from architecture perspectives. So the effort to make it work is much more than when I do all coding myself.

At that point, I thought probably there are more frontend projects used to train those models than in backend projects, therefore quality of code in frontend tech is much better. But when using LLM with another language that I did not have much experience for another backend project, I found out why my experience is so much different as I can now observe more clearly on what is bad and good in the generated code.

In my previous backend project, as I have much more knowledge on languages/frameworks/practice, my criteria was also higher. It is not just the code that can run, it must be extensible, in right structure and in good architecture, use correct idiom ... Whereas my frontend experience is more limited, the generated code work as I expected but possibly it also violated all these NFRs that I do not know. It explains why using it with a new program language (something I don't have much experience) in a backend project (my well know domain) I found a mixed experience when it seems to provide me working code, but failed on following good practices.

My hypothesis is LLM can generate code at intemediate level, so if your experience is limited you see it as pure gold. But if your level is much better, those generated code are just garbage. I really want to hear more from other people to validate my hypothesis as it seems people also have opposite experiences with this.

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