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Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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That’s a different point entirely. You talked about being unable to fit your head out comfortably. I addressed that.

At least their head can escape even if the rest of them can't.

Knowing the incompetent engineering in the Cypertruck closure mechanisms, I was definitely worried about getting guillotined by the firmware.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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Isn’t it missing the death aspect ?

It is found straight at the source: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

Thanks. It's US data only but that's a fine source.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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I don't understand Teslas. I take a ride as a passenger in my friend's Tesla about once a year. And every time, the ride ends with me going, "how the fuck do I open this door?"

What is wrong with door handles? Tesla should have been sued into oblivion the first time somebody died in a car fire. And the NHTSA should have regulations against cars without interior handles.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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This is US law. You can't have a child usable manual emergency release on the doors where you might have child lock enabled.

You could have the manual release just not do anything when child lock is enabled like on every other car with child locks. Then again, there should be a manual release on the outside too...

When the car loses power, the outside manual release does enable.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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> Every Uber I take in a Tesla would practically need an airline safety briefing for this. If your Uber ride is a Model Y you may be SOL: Not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors.

How did this even get past the NHTSA/DOT - that has to be illegal. Electrical doors, with no failsafe?

I'm an oligarch an I'm o.k.

I break laws every single day ...

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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"Tesla Has Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands: Study" (2024) https://autos.yahoo.com/tesla-highest-fatal-accident-rate-16...

Interesting quote from that piece: > The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high…

So it's because irresponsible tech bros & the like are driving high performance electric cars at speeds and accelerations that they're not used to after the Toyota that they owned previously?

I feel like this gonna become a real problem as (any brand of) electric cars fill out the world's fleet.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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>It is correct to blame them for the way the door locks work though and therefore can be blamed for the excess injuries/deaths that result from the design decision. This is what is being discussed here: that four people burned to death because they were unable to exit the vehicle.

It's not correct to blame them for the way the door locks work. This is the case on all electronic door handles, now becoming common on new cars. The reason you can't have an emergency manual override easily accessible is that a child could use it when child lock is enabled. The US government created this problem.

That is incorrect. This is not the only legal way to design this.

I own a Volkswagen ID.4, also an EV with electronic door handles. The door handles also function as the mechanical emergency release. When the handle is only slightly pulled, the electronic release opens the door. When the handle is fully pulled twice, the mechanical release opens the door. The car also has (electronic) child safety locks, and is legally sold in the US.

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