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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by homebrewer »

Wytwwww wrote: post #176
Fifnmar101 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying good words to any regime. I mean both the US sanction and the Russian invasion suck. I don't want another country bossing over what you can do, and I don't want another country pointing guns on your head either. Russia is bad, but that doesn't mean I'm in support of bans like this without a reason. Just because you "have the reason to commit crimes" is not strong enough a reason to ex…

> don't want another country bossing over what you can do So we agree that invading other countries is wrong. However you believe that a country has the inherent right to do anything (including imprisoning, murdering them etc. etc.) to its citizens and face no external repercussions? At the same time other countries do not have the right to not do business with that country or to prevent its citizens from doing that.…

Most of those emigrees have returned. Out of all people I personally know only two still live abroad, and only one of them has no plans to ever go back (but has not changed his passport because it's truly difficult).

And saying "they could easily have emigrated" shows that you have zero touch with the common man. No, many people can't "simply leave" even if their profession is in demand.

Edit: ah, I now see your other comments. No further discussion needed, don't forget to label me either a paid troll, a useful idiot, or both.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by homebrewer »

Wytwwww wrote: post #159
thayne wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do sanctions ever actually work as intended? To this casual bystander it seems like they usually hurt innocent citizens far more than the leaders of the usually authoritarion regime that it targets.

> innocent citizens Do you not think that at least 50% of all people in Russia would vote for Putin or his affiliates (even if the elections weren't falsified)? Therefore most people in Russia are certainly not innocent.

We don't know and can't know that, there hasn't been a single election without major falsifications since about 2004. I personally don't know anyone who voted for him, but I don't keep many ties to the "lowest classes". If your image of the Russian society is based solely on US left-wing media, then it has even less resemblance to reality.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by homebrewer »

analognoise wrote: post #90
snvzz wrote: post #69

Not a good idea for Linux to get involved in geopolitical drama. Any self-respecting maintainer will not come back after this. Linux might have a lot of developers, but has a hard time finding and retaining maintainers. This is not a good development.

Most of the developers are paid by US companies. I don’t think this will really affect anything at all.

Maintainers ≠ developers, and it wasn't that long ago when we heard Linus moaning about maintainer shortage and nobody wanting to pick up their work. Now we get this. Whatever you think of this particular decision, it won't help with finding more maintainers, especially from countries other than the US and its closest allies.

I live in a country which may one day find itself under US sanctions, and I'm been busy cutting reliance on American services, just to avoid having to migrate everything in a rush if that happens. Everyone here understands this (for example, my day job migrated off GitHub to self hosted gitlab back in 2022), and I can't imagine many people will be interested in spending years of effort to then possibly be kicked from the project because they chose to be born in a wrong country.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by Terr_ »

Timber-6539 wrote: post #124

My initial reaction reading the thread was just to shake my head. What's the point of open source?

My worry is less about big projects being inclusive and multinational, and more about whether there are clear guidelines and specific reasons given when people are kicked off or otherwise demoted.

Nobody likes being at the mercy of a system that feels capricious.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by riehwvfbk »

homebrewer wrote: post #181
Wytwwww wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> don't want another country bossing over what you can do So we agree that invading other countries is wrong. However you believe that a country has the inherent right to do anything (including imprisoning, murdering them etc. etc.) to its citizens and face no external repercussions? At the same time other countries do not have the right to not do business with that country or to prevent its citizens from doing that.…

Most of those emigrees have returned. Out of all people I personally know only two still live abroad, and only one of them has no plans to ever go back (but has not changed his passport because it's truly difficult). And saying "they could easily have emigrated" shows that you have zero touch with the common man. No, many people can't "simply leave" even if their profession is in demand. Edit: ah, I now see your othe…

It helps to think of these people as essentially Mao's Red Guards. They are (I hope) still very young and as a result very absolutist in their thinking. They are fanatical about their country being the best because they haven't seen or experienced much else. And they get a sense of power from belonging to what they think is the group of the People Who Are Always Right.

Mao's Red Guards. Because these ducks quack like those ones did.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by aguaviva »

shangers wrote: post #98
aguaviva wrote: post #79

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Regional bands thrived and created gems that even today can be appreciated as masterpieces... Care to name a few?

I used to pirate a lot of random music in early 00’s and went through a Latin phase. Downloaded one album by Fabiana Cantilo full of covers by what seemed to be other Argentine artists and some names are Soda Stereo and Andres Calamaro. They seem to have a lot of what kids today would call bangers. Some of my favorite Argentine songs: Donde Manda Marinero, En La Ciudad De la Furia. Fabiana’s album that I torrented ba…

Fantastico, gracias

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by walterbell »

Suppafly wrote: post #139
mokoshhydro wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei is under same level of sanctions, but nobody with `xxx@huawei.com` is removed from Maintainers list. So, probably "sanctions" are not the reason.

>Huawei is under same level of sanctions is it? the actual specifics of the sanctions matter, I don't think any of the US sanctions would prevent them from participating in kernel programming.

Would you happen to know which specific sanctions text relates to kernel programming?

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by monkeyshelli »

diggan wrote: post #3

Is there any new "compliance requirements" (sanctions I suppose?) that made this happen? Or is a delayed change since the sanctions started?

I'm wondering does the latest events of N.Korean troops joining the attack against Ukraine have something to do with this?
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