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Have McKinsey and its consulting rivals got too big?

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Re: Have McKinsey and its consulting rivals got too big?

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Don't all these consulting firms have a really bad record when it comes to large-scale infrastructure projects? Some of the worst examples are Ciudad Real International Airport (Spain/McKinsey), Karuma Hydroelectric Project (Uganda/Deloitte), Chongwe River Water Supply Project (Zambia/Boston Consulting Group), Isimba Dam Project (Uganda/McKinsey), Haramain High-Speed Rail Project (Saudi Arabia/Deloitte), and Shoreham…

Nya Kalolinska Hospital in Stocholm was pretty much the work of BGC… most expensive hospital in the world. (In Swedish but GPTs exist nowadays so…) https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/nks

The AKH (Vienna General Hospital) was orders of magnitude more expensive than the Nya Karolinska. It cost 43 billion Schilling to build in the 70s, amounting to roughly 5.8 billion euros today.

Re: Have McKinsey and its consulting rivals got too big?

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Nothing about John Oliver is obligatory

Agreed. I watched an a show on something I knew a lot about and was appalled out how much he missed the mark and/or had an agenda. I always liked his show and tended to agree with his take until then. Great rehtoric, Im just concerned that people might be eating his shit and forming "informed" opinions on things because Oliver's team "already did all the research." Keep some salt handy.

I one hundred percent agree with you - he's dangerously wrong on some things, sometimes seemingly intentionally.

Re: Have McKinsey and its consulting rivals got too big?

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Other than code related data annotation for LLMs, this is the only kind of work I've ever been able to find in software development, all the consulting shops big or small work like that here. When I read about people having proper testing, code review, product managers setting actual expectations of what the software should do... It sounds like a wonderland to me.

Yeah, unfortunately you need a proper startup culture at your location to have access to companies small and big like that. I don't think there is a single place like that in Europe. Fortunately, it's quite easy to find work for American companies. And well paid.

There’s plenty like it, but you won’t find it if you’re looking only for body shops. Of course, startups have similar problems of their own and you have to put some work into finding the right team and right product niche for you (e.g for me, sales and ad tech aren’t my thing).

I’d call it product engineering over agency work. Keep an eye out for positions in your typical SaaS setup, as well as financial institutions - not glamorous but better than being an arse on a seat.

Can’t speak for outside of Europe and UK though.

Re: Have McKinsey and its consulting rivals got too big?

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Don't all these consulting firms have a really bad record when it comes to large-scale infrastructure projects? Some of the worst examples are Ciudad Real International Airport (Spain/McKinsey), Karuma Hydroelectric Project (Uganda/Deloitte), Chongwe River Water Supply Project (Zambia/Boston Consulting Group), Isimba Dam Project (Uganda/McKinsey), Haramain High-Speed Rail Project (Saudi Arabia/Deloitte), and Shoreham…

An even better example is the city of Chongqing. Looking at pictures of Chongqing from when I was in high school, I would say what stands today is simply not possible. Yet there it is.

If you cut out consultancy firms, we would still not be able to do anything close to that in America. There are many reasons. None that I would expect to figure out and resolve anytime soon , if ever.

Re: Have McKinsey and its consulting rivals got too big?

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Agreed. I watched an a show on something I knew a lot about and was appalled out how much he missed the mark and/or had an agenda. I always liked his show and tended to agree with his take until then. Great rehtoric, Im just concerned that people might be eating his shit and forming "informed" opinions on things because Oliver's team "already did all the research." Keep some salt handy.

Could you elaborate a bit more? I'm interested to know on which topic did Last Week Tonight miss the mark (and, why do you consider they had a hidden agenda?).

At the core they avoid consideration of an entire side of the story except to cherry pick certain individuals from that side and then lob a string of personal attacks on them; making fun of how they look or how they talk.

It's entertainment. Don't let it cloud your decisions aside from considering the raw facts. Thoroughly research everything on your own. The laughs are not free.

Re: Have McKinsey and its consulting rivals got too big?

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This comment and the parent sums up GE exactly. These consulting engagements were/are a constant stream there. However, they were often ordered by ineffectual, siloed pretend managers and absolutely nothing came of it aside from a bill and the manager getting to feel like a manager for triggering the engagement.

They’re usually expensive. How is a non manager authorized to order this engagement?

Exactly.

Re: Have McKinsey and its consulting rivals got too big?

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Agreed. I watched an a show on something I knew a lot about and was appalled out how much he missed the mark and/or had an agenda. I always liked his show and tended to agree with his take until then. Great rehtoric, Im just concerned that people might be eating his shit and forming "informed" opinions on things because Oliver's team "already did all the research." Keep some salt handy.

Could you elaborate a bit more? I'm interested to know on which topic did Last Week Tonight miss the mark (and, why do you consider they had a hidden agenda?).

not OP but I had a similar experience with both his episodes on Rent/Housing. He made the problem seem like the problem is caused by institutional investors snapping up single family homes and speculating on rent, when they are a small fraction (Vast majority of political pressure to restrict the housing supply comes from your average homeowner. They have been taught, and incentivized, to treat their home as an investment vehicle. Building more housing generally lowers their home's value due to supply vs demand.

Rent can be affordable, or housing can be a 'good' investment. We can't really have both, but it's a lot more palatable to blame the problem on Blackrock or rich condo owners than your audience.

Re: Have McKinsey and its consulting rivals got too big?

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Could you elaborate a bit more? I'm interested to know on which topic did Last Week Tonight miss the mark (and, why do you consider they had a hidden agenda?).

not OP but I had a similar experience with both his episodes on Rent/Housing. He made the problem seem like the problem is caused by institutional investors snapping up single family homes and speculating on rent, when they are a small fraction ( Vast majority of political pressure to restrict the housing supply comes from your average homeowner. They have been taught, and incentivized, to treat their home as an inve…

> [...] lack of affordable new housing when new housing by definition is not affordable [...]

I'm sorry, but affordable (and newly built) housing, at least in Central Europe, where I live, is most certainly a thing. It's a question of building type, unit size, density, local infrastructure, government subsidies and the location overall. I can recommend taking a look at the housing market in cities such as Vienna. Newly built housing can be affordable and of a high quality.

Why that is a seeming impossibility in the US, I cannot say, though I have seen some, albeit more than likely somewhat biased, evidence that at least some forms of higher density, low-rise mixed-use building styles common in Central Europe are not possible in certain areas of the US due to zoning laws. Unless I am mistaken, I seem to remember that zoning legislation was something the LWT piece on the topic specifically pointed out as one of many parts of what is a multifaceted problem that needs to be approached as such.

Another area that is, according to reporting, very good on the front of providing newly built, affordable housing is Singapore, though I know no first-hand experiences (I have no friends currently residing in Singapore public housing) to truly contextualize whether the system there works as well as it appears to. In either case, though, new housing can be affordable if done right.

> They have been taught, and incentivized [...]

Ok, but if that is the case, then both new and old housing cannot be affordable. You are saying, new housing by definition is not affordable, then point out that, for historic reasons, owners expect their property to increase in value, making old/existing housing even less affordable.

Re: Have McKinsey and its consulting rivals got too big?

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I mostly agree, but for sake of honest discussion... Why are the mechanical/electrical engineers also not paid well at these companies? Even at these companies capable of achieving massive scale with new products they design. Think something like 3M, making billions of units of widgets and commodities.

Depending on their profit margins and the talent scarcity they do pay. A seasoned cheme at oil and gas was easily pulling 300k + 2M pension + 10% 401k match

Lives on an oil rig doing to get that

Re: Have McKinsey and its consulting rivals got too big?

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It was a really interesting place to work at a Software Engineer. It made me understand the business. It made me understand that doing the right thing isn't valued. You do the thing that has the shortest ROI. It also made me realize that it is horrible to build software with people who expect short term deliveries like the usual McKinsey engagement. People who expect that the automation of an Excel file takes the sam…

> Not to mention they paid for my GC. What does GC mean in this context?

General contractor. GP made some changes to his house using the money his employer paid him.
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