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Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by TLLtchvL8KZ »

tourmalinetaco wrote: post #179
TLLtchvL8KZ wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He needs to do as much damage to Stallman while he still can. Stallman's recent health scares (as noted in the "stallman report") have most likely prompted this as Drew knows once RMS passes away he wont be able to get his revenge on the guy or have him removed from what has been his life's work. There are screenshots from Drews live streams which show his browser history/bookmarks which show links to 4ch board for c…

What’s even more horrifying is he believes in forcing IUD surgeries onto teen girls. Why is a man this old so invested into sexual art of and opinions relating to the sex life of young teens? It’s genuinely disgusting to think about. “I'm of the opinion that 14 year old girls should be required to have an IUD installed. Ten years of contraception that requires a visit to the doctor to remove prematurely.” - https://w…

Well you see this quite often, you have these men who protest very loudly online about CSA end up being found guilty of assault or in ownership of assault media themselves.

One can only hope Drews local law enforcement find a reason to seize all his computer equipment and do a forensic investigation.

Here is an interesting find from a comment 12 years ago made by Drew on reddit (https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/todayilearned/comments/udlwf/...): "What an ass, you don't have to call him out in the middle of a (mostly) unrelated post. I pity pedophiles - you can't control what turns you on, and they happen to be turned on by something illegal. It's a dick move to try and bring it up and shame him publicly."

Definitely needs his hard drives searching by authorities.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by fsflover »

shadowgovt wrote: post #153
fsflover wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cancelling is punishing of an individual by the crowd without a fair process. It should not exist. Choosing your software is not cancelling.

If you can slide a conceptual wedge between the free choice to use GNU over Microsoft because you believe in the Four Freedoms and the free choice to not work with FSF until they oust Stallman because you believe he's a creep, go for it. It's the same thing: personal choice intended to influence the shape of the world.

> and the free choice to not work with FSF

This is your right, just like choosing the software. However, trying to force everybody to stop supporting FSF or to cancel Stallman without a fair process is very different and wrong.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by tomcam »

deepl_derber wrote: post #171
tomcam wrote: post #130

I read it all the way through once, but may have a missed something. Am I to understand that because he has (extremely) objectionable private views that he should be booted out of the organization he started? It seems like there is no evidence of untoward behavior, just a bunch of gross opinions? If that’s the case, I’m completely against ejecting him simply because he publishes nasty thoughts. I say this as a guy wh…

> It seems like there is no evidence of untoward behavior, just a bunch of gross opinions? I don't think you actually read it then, because a significant portion of it is about his untoward behavior (as a boss, to random women at conferences, as a Voting Member, etc.) > But the FSF is an American organization, and in America we have something close to free speech. Free speech has absolutely nothing to do with this (a…

I did in fact miss the Credible allegations of sexual misconduct section at https://stallman-report.org/#credible-allegations-of-sexual-.... Thanks for correcting me.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by tomcam »

tomcam wrote: post #130

I read it all the way through once, but may have a missed something. Am I to understand that because he has (extremely) objectionable private views that he should be booted out of the organization he started? It seems like there is no evidence of untoward behavior, just a bunch of gross opinions? If that’s the case, I’m completely against ejecting him simply because he publishes nasty thoughts. I say this as a guy wh…

Update: I somehow missed a damning section at Credible allegations of sexual misconduct section at https://stallman-report.org/#credible-allegations-of-sexual-.... Thanks to /u/deepl_derber for accusing me of not reading the report and sending me back to the source.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by shadowgovt »

fsflover wrote: post #182
shadowgovt wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can slide a conceptual wedge between the free choice to use GNU over Microsoft because you believe in the Four Freedoms and the free choice to not work with FSF until they oust Stallman because you believe he's a creep, go for it. It's the same thing: personal choice intended to influence the shape of the world.

> and the free choice to not work with FSF This is your right, just like choosing the software. However, trying to force everybody to stop supporting FSF or to cancel Stallman without a fair process is very different and wrong.

Who's being forced? Collective action isn't forcing; it's voluntary choice.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by mikrotikker »

tomcam wrote: post #183
deepl_derber wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems like there is no evidence of untoward behavior, just a bunch of gross opinions? I don't think you actually read it then, because a significant portion of it is about his untoward behavior (as a boss, to random women at conferences, as a Voting Member, etc.) > But the FSF is an American organization, and in America we have something close to free speech. Free speech has absolutely nothing to do with this (a…

I did in fact miss the Credible allegations of sexual misconduct section at https://stallman-report.org/#credible-allegations-of-sexual-... . Thanks for correcting me.

Giving a card to a woman asking her out is sexual misconduct?

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by mikrotikker »

tomcam wrote: post #184
tomcam wrote: post #130

I read it all the way through once, but may have a missed something. Am I to understand that because he has (extremely) objectionable private views that he should be booted out of the organization he started? It seems like there is no evidence of untoward behavior, just a bunch of gross opinions? If that’s the case, I’m completely against ejecting him simply because he publishes nasty thoughts. I say this as a guy wh…

Update: I somehow missed a damning section at Credible allegations of sexual misconduct section at https://stallman-report.org/#credible-allegations-of-sexual-... . Thanks to /u/deepl_derber for accusing me of not reading the report and sending me back to the source.

"Sexual misconduct" is quite a reach.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by mikrotikker »

holmesworcester wrote: post #99
narrator wrote: post #92

If there was criminal conduct, someone should file a criminal complaint and have it adjudicated in a court of law with evidence, a jury and witness testimony and once convicted the accused should be appropriately punished. Otherwise, how is anyone going to determine the truth of the allegations? If the behavior was non-criminal then the decision should be made through normal non-profit governance mechanisms. We have…

Having read this, I don't think there is any accusation of criminal behavior in this report. The accusation is that he made people uncomfortable, didn't do enough to change that when it was raised, and defended criminal behavior by insisting on distinctions that the authors of the report consider immaterial or harmful. I worked for RMS/FSF briefly and I think there is something about his radical refusal to compromise…

> there is something about his radical refusal to compromise on anything conceptual (to avoid conflict or misunderstanding, e.g.) that is fundamentally incompatible with running an organization.

But its fundamentally compatible with keeping free software free. That is what is important - an unwavering adherance to the core mission.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by tomcam »

mikrotikker wrote: post #186
tomcam wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did in fact miss the Credible allegations of sexual misconduct section at https://stallman-report.org/#credible-allegations-of-sexual-... . Thanks for correcting me.

Giving a card to a woman asking her out is sexual misconduct?

I’m thinking more this:

> We have several uncorroborated testimonies of women, including minors, being overtly sexualized during this routine, some without consent. In the course of our research we discovered that one of these routines was recorded, in which Stallman brings a 13 year-old girl on stage and makes sexually suggestive remarks about her in front of a crowd at FKFT 2008 in Barcelona.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by [deleted] »

tourmalinetaco wrote: post #164
shadowgovt wrote: post #136

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> Knowing that the author has engaged in such deceptive sockpuppetry casts significant doubt on the document itself Does it though? If we're expected to separate the message from the messenger for Stallman but not for Drew, isn't that a double standard? Who cares where the information came from if the information is accurate?

It’s not a double standard to take the context of a writer’s desires in with their work, especially when they are actively trying to depose someone as important as RMS, and especially when the information is not accurate. What is a double standard though, based off of accurate in-context information, is that Drew DeVault is accusing RMS of pedophilia while he has a history of looking at and collecting drawings of bik…

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