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The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by DHPersonal »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #162
DHPersonal wrote: post #71

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Jonathan Haidt has also been critiqued by his peers [1] for looking at the data with a foregone conclusion instead of getting his conclusion from the data. He's another one of those moral panic peddlers and should not be trusted as a reliable source. [2] 1. https://www.youtube.com/live/Ewxe4pWOH-I 2. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1647639025879064579.html

Some things don’t need data for us to take action. This is one of them. You can ignore the problem if it isn’t a big thing for you, but to many adults the reality of the anxious generation is right in front of them. Waiting for drawn out debates is not acceptable to them, and these actions have almost no downsides.

Picking the first offered action to a potential problem is a moral panic. Without intending it, one can potentially introduce different long-term negative effects. I am a parent of three and am fully aware of the anxieties of parenthood.

I once held a similar position of anxiety about this issue until someone wrote a response to me that was very similar to my own in this thread. I’m trying to share something similar with others: to inform those concerned that banning is not necessarily the only or best option.

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Post by xuhu »

fragmede wrote: post #123
xuhu wrote: post #102

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In the daily downtown crawl at 5PM I count about one in four drivers on their phone. Is there a way to tell apart the adaptive cruise control cars from the ones without ? ACC is the only way I can explain why there isn't a crash every 5 minutes.

ACC won't engage under 25 mph. The reason for the lack of crashes might be that driving isn't that hard for most people.

Seems to vary across models. Googling for Honda Civic: "And the Low-Speed Follow function can bring the vehicle to a complete stop when a vehicle detected ahead slows to a stop, and it lets you resume operation by pressing a button or the accelerator."

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Post by ruthmarx »

exe34 wrote: post #179
ruthmarx wrote: post #172

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You've definitely used Twitter, even if just to see an announcement or something. Too much important information has been posted there over the last decade for anyone online a lot to have been able to avoid it.

I've seen screenshots of Elon acting like a loser, that's about it.

So you've never clicked on Twitter links, even when they have been submitted to HN?

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Post by lurking_swe »

Spooky23 wrote: post #166
kelnos wrote: post #143

It has always felt absolutely bonkers to me that smartphone bans weren't put into place instantly across US schools as soon as they started becoming common. I grew up in the 80s and 90s. If I'd brought a handheld game console like a Gameboy or something into class, it would have been confiscated immediately. Sure, I get it, that's not the same thing; obviously phones have other uses. But there is absolutely zero reas…

There’s a lot of reasons where possessing a phone in school is legit. In cities, transit passes are commonly phone bases. Some apartments require smartphones for gate entry. In class, different story of course.

why can’t a student leave their phone in the locker? or the teacher has a large bin where all students must put their phone into (powered off) before class starts.

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

hooverd wrote: post #85
andrei-akopian wrote: post #41

Some schools ban phones but allow laptops and tablets. It is the phones specifically that are the problem, not social media. (apparently) My phone usage dropped after I got a personal laptop and an eBook reader. So did pretty much every one else's. The phone is just really inconvenient for anything other than doomscrolling. In my opinion, the lack of alternative activities is overlooked. It is a ban and a prayer that…

There's nothing magic about phones that makes them bad. It's mostly the content on them: social media. Which people here earn money hand over fist making more addictive and then wonder how it all happened. I was in high school right around the first iPhone. Kids got good at T9 texting but it wasn't anything like now I guess.

It isn't magic but they are different than laptops and desktops in important but subtle ways.

They are (generally) always on your person. They discourage the creation of text. They always have an internet connection. They are usually charged right next to your bed, so they are the first and last thing you interact with every day.

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Post by grakker »

naming_the_user wrote: post #45

It really can't be underestimated either for children or adults how much we are dependent on ease of access. If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. If you are stuck in a room and you have a math textbook and a novel you now have a choice. A phone? A phone is everything else. You're putting "the thing we are supposed to be doing" and "everything else" in…

It's amazing to me that people argue about this, using weak personal anecdotes or just strange self-righteousness.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #54
insane_dreamer wrote: post #46

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> t is the phones specifically that are the problem, not social media. disagree; it's the social media that's the problem; the phone just makes it possible to access it at all times remove social media and you won't have kids on their phones all the time (or, if you're very lucky, they might use them for something productive)

> remove social media and you won't have kids on their phones all the time This is a testable hypothesis. We shouldn’t conclude either way without more evidence. As it stands, enforcing a phone ban has advantages over an app one.

Small sample size but already tested in my household. Block the social media apps and website and phone use is greatly reduced.
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