PHP Addiction

Post by jlgreco » Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 6:51 PM UTC

blindhippo wrote: post #66

z92 wrote: post #33

Here is another point that highlights the problem: If I want to write a hello world application in PHP, it's neither as long as nor as short as Rather it's simply: hello world. Just type in those 11 characters in a text file and save it as hello.php. Now load it on your browser [or run it from command line] and it will print hello world. I don't think it can get any more simpler than that in other languages. PHP was…

What people continue to fail to explain is why PHP needs to be replaced. Why not improve it? After the millions of man hours that have gone into the plethora of open source PHP based frameworks and tools (aka, what powers the internet) - wouldn't we as a community want to improve the foundations rather then scrap them entirely? You know, like what happened with Javascript...

Post by antihero » Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 6:54 PM UTC

cletus wrote: post #121

Is it my imagination or is Marco the king of writing blog posts that are quick reactions to whatever is trending on HN? The message you should get from this post is that familiarity with one's tools easily trumps any aesthetic flaws (consistency in parameter ordering, naming conventions, etc are really nothing more than aesthetic flaws and not "deep" [1] as the author suggests. After all, human language is inconsiste…

Post by antihero » Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 6:57 PM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #168

Legion wrote: post #129

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> The only thing actually wrong with PHP, is that it's popular but not cool. No, what's "wrong" with PHP is that other things that are better have come along since. That's not a fault of PHP, that's the nature of language evolution. > It runs half the Internet quite well COBOL runs tons of mission critical business services quite well. It doesn't mean that nobody's improved on COBOL or that you should use it for a ne…

> No, what's "wrong" with PHP is that other things that are better have come along since. The problem is, no, nothing else has. Node.js is awesome and fun, but far harder to set up for basic webpage serving. Python is awesome, but also has a huge learning curve to learn how to serve basic webpages with. And... I can't think of anything else. Perl? ASP? Java is a huge pain to set up and maintain. What other language o…

Post by drivebyacct2 » Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 6:59 PM UTC

cletus wrote: post #121

Is it my imagination or is Marco the king of writing blog posts that are quick reactions to whatever is trending on HN? The message you should get from this post is that familiarity with one's tools easily trumps any aesthetic flaws (consistency in parameter ordering, naming conventions, etc are really nothing more than aesthetic flaws and not "deep" [1] as the author suggests. After all, human language is inconsiste…

Post by drivebyacct2 » Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 7:04 PM UTC

Kilimanjaro wrote: post #151

banana_bread wrote: post #144

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You have just mixed HTML and server code. You fail.

That's php, just cleaner. If we don't recognize that as one of php's strength we're doomed to fail. Of course once you master it, you separate the code from the html and call it from the view like this: hello.nxt name = request.get('name','world') list = ['this','language','rocks'] response.render('hello.html',name,list) hello.html Hello {{ name.upper }} {% for item in list %} {{ item }} {% endfor %} But what do I kn…