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Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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Post by coldpie »

ssl-3 wrote: post #178
coldpie wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still exists. Currently it looks like Patreons and their associated communities, long-running web forums, small chatrooms on platforms like Discord or Facebook or Instagram, and so on. Small communities, with relatively high barriers to entry.

That's not the same Internet. Patreon, forums, Discord, Facebook, Instagram and so on are all centralized. With the Internet of the 90s, discussion happened with decentralized Usenet (owned by nobody) with more-focused discussion happening on mailing lists (literally owned by whoever was smart enough to get Majordomo compiled and running). Email was handled by individual ISPs or other orgs instead of funneled through…

That's a pretty narrow view. My Internet in the 90s and early 2000s was on AOL Instant Messenger and MSN Network, Yahoo! Mail and phpBB web forums hosted by random people with pictures hosted on PhotoBucket. Plenty centralized.

The technology doesn't matter, it's changing all the time. The difference is the size of the community, and the barriers to entry. If these communities were easy to discover and join and hard to be booted out from, they wouldn't be protected from The Slop. It used to be just getting on the Internet was the barrier. Now we need new barriers: paywalls and word-of-mouth and moderation.

Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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Post by eesmith »

whalesalad wrote: post #95

Drives me nuts. The internet is dead. I just bought a home and I have been googling the best way to tackle certain home improvement projects - like how to prepare trim for painting. Virtually every result is some kind of content farm of AI-generated bullshit with advertising between every paragraph, an autoplay video (completely unrelated) that scrolls with the page, a modal popup asking me to accept cookies, a secon…

Get a general purpose home maintenance book.

For example, https://archive.org/details/stanleyhomerepai0000fine/page/14... links to the chapter "Painting Trim the Right Way" from the book Stanley Home Repairs, 2014.

Could also look at used book stores. Home repair hasn't changed much.

Edit: Could even fire up Wine and try the CD-ROM "Black & Decker Everyday Home Repairs" (published by Broderbund) at https://archive.org/details/BlackDeckerEverydayHomeRepairsBr... . https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3424503-everyday-home-re... says;

> Like its predecessor in book format, the CD-ROM version offers easy-to-follow, step-by-step instructions on more than 100 common household problems, from how to fix a leaky faucet to repairing hardwood floors. What's more, the CD-ROM version incorporates animation and narration to help make the repair project even easier to understand and complete. Instructions can be viewed one step at a time or all at once, and, if desired, can be printed out and taken directly to the repair site. Included with each repair project is the projected time needed to complete the work, estimated cost, and a list of materials and tools needed.

That sounds pretty nifty, actually!

Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

CSMastermind wrote: post #57
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #53

Almost all of the "product X vs Y" results are AI ramblings now. This growth of the dead Internet is making me want to sign up for Kagi. We're going to need a certification for human generated content at some point.

It really is a werid feeling remembering the internet of my youth and even my 20s and knowing that it will never exist again.

I only just put it together but Peter Watt's Rifters series is some epic earth grimdark hard-sci-fi, the first taking place as practically horror, confined deep under water.

But my point is, the latter books have this has amazing post-internet, just a ravaged chaotic Wildlands filled with rabid programs & wild viruses. Packets staggering half intact across the virtualscape, hit by digital storms. Our internet isn't quite so amazing, but I see the relationship more subtly with where we have gone, with so so so many generated sites happy to regurgitate information poorly at you or to sell you a slant quietly. Bereft of real sites, real traffic. Watts is a master writer. Maelstrom.

First book Starfish is free. https://www.rifters.com/real/STARFISH.htm

Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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Post by Xenoamorphous »

jhbadger wrote: post #49
Havoc wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Question is how long till you can’t tell the difference

It's almost impossible now. NotebookLM really impressed me. I knew voice synthesis has gotten better than Stephen Hawking's "voice" but I really wasn't expecting having two realistic voices with emotions that even banter with each other. There is a bit of banality to them - they like to call something a "a game changer" practically every "podcast" and the insights into the material is pretty shallow, but they are pro…

Fun fact, Stephen Hawkins could’ve used a much “better” synthetic voice but decided to stick with that one as people associated it with him.

Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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Post by freediver »

quasse wrote: post #87
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #53

Almost all of the "product X vs Y" results are AI ramblings now. This growth of the dead Internet is making me want to sign up for Kagi. We're going to need a certification for human generated content at some point.

Kagi is not a panacea unfortunately. I pay for it and daily drive it to support a Google alternative, but I still have real trouble with my results being full of AI garbage (both image and text search). As mentioned, product comparisons are a big one but another worrying area is anything medical related. I was trying to find research about a medicine I'm taking this week and the already SEO infested results of 5 year…

I use Kagi personally every day and my results are definitely not full of AI garbage so would like to better understand your context.

Have you reported any of those issues to Kagi (support/discord/user forum)? We are pretty good at dealing with search quality issues.

Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

claudiulodro wrote: post #25

Google is going to have to solve for this somehow if they want to remain relevant, right? If searching for an image and generating the image yield the same result, what's the point of image search any more?

I assume this is one example of why big tech lobbies for stricter AI controls. They aren't afraid of AI takeover; they are afraid of AI destroying their businesses.

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Post by b112 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #53

Almost all of the "product X vs Y" results are AI ramblings now. This growth of the dead Internet is making me want to sign up for Kagi. We're going to need a certification for human generated content at some point.

It won't end until the motivation ends. Referrals , and ad revenue.

Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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Post by ziddoap »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #172
throwgfgfd25 wrote: post #103

I wonder: do all the HNers who are excited about their GenAI product or wrapper or startup understand, at a fundamental level, that they are an intrinsic part of this deterioration? Or is this one of those fundamental attribution error things: - MY product is a powerful tool for creators who wish to save time - THEIR product is just a poorly-though-out slop generator Does it occur to people to instead be part of some…

You have only had google image search for what, 20-years? Why do you think it is a fundamental part of humanity's growth story? You talk about being a part of something "real and visceral" but you're complaining about the demise of being able to sit at your desk and see pictures of wildlife. Maybe it's okay that google image search dies and makes people go out and find the wildlife they want to see. The internet, eve…

>Maybe it's okay that google image search dies and makes people go out and find the wildlife they want to see.

I don't think that is what will happen if google images dies.

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Post by theamk »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #70
CSMastermind wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is a werid feeling remembering the internet of my youth and even my 20s and knowing that it will never exist again.

A mesh network on top of IP with an enforcable license agreement that prohibits all commercial use would suffice to get the old net back. Bonus points if no html/css/js is involved but some sane display technology instead.

No way. What you are describing is Gemini, but even more niche - a place which is explicitly walled-off from the "big net", which only nostalgic people with right technical skills and a desire to jump some hoops can get to.

This is not going to work - as time progresses, there will be less and less nostalgic people who are willing to put up with that complexity. And "non-commercial" part will ensure that there _never_ be an option to say: "I am tired of fixing my homeserver once again, I am going to put up my site to (github|sourceforge|$1 hosting) and forget about it".

Compare to early web. First thing that came to my mind was Bowden's Hobby Circuits site [0]. It's designed for advanced beginners - simple projects, nice explanations. And there are no hoops to jump through - I've personally sent the links to it to many people via forums, private emails, and so on. It apparently went down in 2023, but while it was still up, I remember regularly finding it from google searches and via links from other pages.

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20220429084959/http://www.bowden...

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