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Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by sweeter »

lll-o-lll wrote: post #107
tbrownaw wrote: post #67

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If your self-image includes the structure of the world around you, or the behavior of people other than yourself, you'll run into problems. I enjoy working with computers. I happen to work at a particular company doing computer things. Only one of those is an innate "what makes me, me " thing. Even if computers didn't exist, I'd still probably tend to gravitate towards things that are fun for the same sorts of reason…

And if you hit a physical or health issue that takes that away, or dramatically reduces the amount of time you can spend on it? This isn’t hypothetical; I have worked with people who’ve had to quit this form of work for the following reasons: Carpal tunnel that prevented using keyboard and mouse, brain injury, neck injury that made it impossible to sit at a computer (or desk), long Covid and “brain fog”. I imagine th…

You say that, but it happens all of the time. Its immensely painful of an experience. Painters who lose their sight, musicians who damage their fingers, car lovers who get too old to drive... That's just the fragility of life and people deal with it in different ways. Some people overcome it, some don't. I think it's important to recognize that reality and still choose to love those things knowing full well it could all end tomorrow. Identity is composed of so many things, some we have control over, some not. Of course it's going to be a messy endeavour

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by RajT88 »

caseyy wrote: post #172
throwanem wrote: post #28

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That isn't even unreasonable as a cultural norm, although it is that those who most firmly enforce it also cherish silly habits like saying "bring your whole self to work." The expectation of not oversharing needs to be met by a commitment of not over- asking, but I suppose that's really too much to expect in an age so degraded that all the obligations across lines of social class are understood to run in only one di…

> although it is that those who most firmly enforce it also cherish silly habits like saying "bring your whole self to work." It is my understanding that about 50% of the cultural values companies prescribe to their teams are values they don't want to see adopted. Speaking up when something is wrong, open door policies, and work-life balance are the usual suspects. Continuous learning and development are also values…

> Continuous learning and development are also values that employees are often invited to practice, though not when there's work to do!

These are the things you're supposed to do on the evenings and weekends.

Honestly, I'd love it if companies took the tack of giving employees projects based on the skills they want them to develop, instead of the skills they already have.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by pushupentry1219 »

NemoNobody wrote: post #170
pushupentry1219 wrote: post #119

As someone of the younger generation, I think "raised by the internet" these days is extremely toxic and non-productive not at all what the author here is talking about in this lovely post. When someone says "I was raised by the internet", I immediately think: social media addiction, 4chan and other online obscenities. But this is completely based on my own personal experience. My point here is not related to this lo…

I hate that this comment is at the top of the page - that may be what you think but even if those exact sites, the chans, are the places a young person is spending their time that doesn't mean it's a problem necessarily. I'm an adult and I spend about 80% of my time in front of screen and so do all of you. I'm reminded of a Bible verse something about a log in your eye. That's what this is.

I actually agree with you here on all your points.

The chans in general aren't a huge issue, though nowadays, 4chan in particular IS pretty bad last time I checked.

I also don't like that my comment is at the top of the page it takes away from the article (on my screen it's third from top though).

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by mandymoorefan »

pushupentry1219 wrote: post #119

As someone of the younger generation, I think "raised by the internet" these days is extremely toxic and non-productive not at all what the author here is talking about in this lovely post. When someone says "I was raised by the internet", I immediately think: social media addiction, 4chan and other online obscenities. But this is completely based on my own personal experience. My point here is not related to this lo…

Thanks for the comment. I read the post, because of your words and it was something I needed to read.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by bigger_cheese »

theshackleford wrote: post #105
Fuzzwah wrote: post #80

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Australian who has spent time living in the US: yes, the difference is still true today between how waiters at an Australian restaurant and servers at a US restaurant interact with customers. Waiters wait. If you need anything you make eye contact and they come over. Servers are overly friendly and will interrupt conversations to ask if the food is up to standard, etc. I've always thought it was due to tipping. Serve…

> I've always thought it was due to tipping I've been bothered far more by wait staff in Australia than I ever have in the US. Must be down to the location and the restaurant.

I'm also Australian I experienced an overly attentive waiter recently when I was eating at a steakhouse with a few friends. It felt like every 5 minutes they would come up to the table interrupt the conversation to ask something like "How are you enjoying the meal? Can I get you anything?" It was a little bit jarring because of how frequently it occurred. I don't mind once or twice but the frequency in this case seemed excessive.

Possibly it was because it wasn't very crowded and the junior waiter was trying to look busy in front of their supervisor.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by kragen »

ipaddr wrote: post #176
lukan wrote: post #106

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"the internet was a gift economy, like burning man: people giving away things of value to all comers because if you don't do that maybe it's because you can't. the good parts of it still are" But it feels like more and more are taken over by money from advertisement. It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit.

People were running adsense and Amazon affilates in 2004. I visited many websites who would let you spin a wheel and send you a check if you won. Browsers would pay you to surf. Money was a big factor and you would have to go pre dot.com or the bbs world to find it. Geocities had ads. Punch the monkey was everywhere.

2004 was yesterday

i was on the internet in 01992: before adsense, before monkey punchers, before geocities, before amazon, but not before dot-com, as my references to lynx and the nsf should have told you. money was a big factor but not in the way you are describing

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by rockskon »

kragen wrote: post #135
night862 wrote: post #132

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Well, it isn’t great. Computers are logic, and LLM tools are not really able to derive logic from language. Is there is enough logic q&a yeah they manage to produce something like what people talk about. My experience with this has been terrible, I find them useless.

monsieur, what good is a new-born baby?

LLMs are not intellence. They are not AGI. They do not have the reasoning skills of a baby. This is not something they will "grow into". No amount of additional training data in the world will turn LLMs into AGI. Any argument to the contrary is pure, 100% copium to justify the hundreds of billions of dollars industry has poured into this technology.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by lll-o-lll »

sweeter wrote: post #181
lll-o-lll wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you hit a physical or health issue that takes that away, or dramatically reduces the amount of time you can spend on it? This isn’t hypothetical; I have worked with people who’ve had to quit this form of work for the following reasons: Carpal tunnel that prevented using keyboard and mouse, brain injury, neck injury that made it impossible to sit at a computer (or desk), long Covid and “brain fog”. I imagine th…

You say that, but it happens all of the time. Its immensely painful of an experience. Painters who lose their sight, musicians who damage their fingers, car lovers who get too old to drive... That's just the fragility of life and people deal with it in different ways. Some people overcome it, some don't. I think it's important to recognize that reality and still choose to love those things knowing full well it could…

I’m not suggesting that we should “pull back” from the things we love for fear of the potential pain of losing them. What I am suggesting is that the worth of a person is not in what they can do. Their identity should be more than the things they enjoy or are good at.

My grandmother is 100 years old. She has led an incredible life filled with all kinds of achievements. Her passion for reading, learning, languages and art, have all shaped me. She’s blind now, and basically deaf. She can no longer read, which is very painful for her (I can read to her when I visit). How much value does she still have? To me, as much value as she ever did.

What is her identity?

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by xp84 »

ipaddr wrote: post #176
lukan wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the internet was a gift economy, like burning man: people giving away things of value to all comers because if you don't do that maybe it's because you can't. the good parts of it still are" But it feels like more and more are taken over by money from advertisement. It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit.

People were running adsense and Amazon affilates in 2004. I visited many websites who would let you spin a wheel and send you a check if you won. Browsers would pay you to surf. Money was a big factor and you would have to go pre dot.com or the bbs world to find it. Geocities had ads. Punch the monkey was everywhere.

I remember the weird ‘paid to surf’ things. Hilarious what wildly silly business ideas pop up when money is cheap and people are exuberant.
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