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Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by raydev »

miki123211 wrote: post #160
bragr wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are all issues as well, but brigading is absolutely a thing.

Blocking doesn't really fix the brigading problem, regardless of whether people need to log out or not. Most X users will just post a screenshot of the tweet, breaking accessibility in the process and disassociating the original author from the thread against their will. This isn't always a good thing, as it leads to people being surprised by crowds of strangers suddenly screaming at them and not being able to see th…

> Blocking doesn't really fix the brigading problem

Automated blocking absolutely solved most of the problem. In the late 2010s it was common for political accounts to use scripts that went through follower graphs for their worst repliers and blocked everyone, or went through the list of people liking a certain tweet and blocked all those accounts.

They were quite fond of that approach and were happy with the outcome pre-Elon. Even if someone in the "bad group" screenshotted a tweet from their target to make fun of it, the target didn't really get bothered by it because they walled themselves well enough. The screenshotter is incentivized to not interact with their target so they don't get blocked again, and no one excited by all the dunking cared enough to go harass the target anyway.

Now as someone who found themselves in a few blockchains during peak Bernie-mania, I like the proposed change. I've been blocked by several popular accounts because of who I followed, and I will enjoy being able to reliably read someone's content even if I'm not allowed to interact.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by dtjb »

celdon25 wrote: post #171
viraptor wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It provides friction for further misbehaving. Imagine you blocked someone who has serious issues with people who #foobar. It's better for you if they can't easily find you and repost your content to their community who also hate #foobar. It's not perfect, but the friction helps prevent drive-by bad behaviour.

No it doesn't. The people who are malicious about it will be using multiple accounts. The block button doesn't stop them. If anything, it provides them ammunition to go "See, this person is a sensitive one, let's add them to the list". Either your posts are public or they're not. There's a pretty clear distinction between the two, and anyone who thinks otherwise is sorely mistaken. The risk of people re-posting your…

Blocks are (were) an easy line of defense for most of the lazy trolling. People could get around it but few bothered.

It might have not been ideologically consistent but it was effective.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by dotnet00 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #180
dotnet00 wrote: post #151

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Not to mention people attempting to slander others behind a block (so the person being slandered has no idea until the damage is already done), or temporarily unblocking to say something to someone, and then blocking again.

> Not to mention people attempting to slander others behind a block (so the person being slandered has no idea until the damage is already done) I saw someone once post about their outrage over the practice of criticizing someone on Twitter without tagging the person you're criticizing in your tweet. ("Subtweeting.") Apparently the thinking goes that if anyone anywhere says something about you, you have the right to…

I'd argue that it really depends on the kind of criticism. What I had in mind was more along the lines of accusing someone of wrongdoing rather than just criticizing them.

I think tagging someone when you're accusing them of wrongdoing is the fair thing to do, considering how quickly that sort of thing can whip others into a frenzy. I see a lot of this sort of thing, where someone will accuse someone of heinous things like pedophilia from behind a block, and by the time the person being accused understands what's going on, they're being hounded by people who get off to drama about why they haven't denied the accusations yet.

On the other hand, tagging when simply criticizing someone often feels like attention-seeking to me. I see this a lot with space stuff, where someone will offer (often completely ignorant) criticism, while pinging Musk, Bezos and/or other figures in the space discussion community.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by giraffe_lady »

mwfogleman wrote: post #130
greatgib wrote: post #18

With that kind of decisions, always assume that there is a hidden agenda. In that case, i could imagine for example that this can be something done to ease a further AI feature. it is almost impossible to train an AI for content with individual customization. So if Y is blocked to see your content, that is impossible to have AI trained on your tweets and still be sure that Y can't get the content of your tweets.

More simply: people are increasingly blocking advertisers to hide their advertisements. This would prevent you from shielding yourself from ads.

Really valid use case too. Very very common in recovery to block alcohol or gambling companies to avoid their ads.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by viraptor »

celdon25 wrote: post #171
viraptor wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It provides friction for further misbehaving. Imagine you blocked someone who has serious issues with people who #foobar. It's better for you if they can't easily find you and repost your content to their community who also hate #foobar. It's not perfect, but the friction helps prevent drive-by bad behaviour.

No it doesn't. The people who are malicious about it will be using multiple accounts. The block button doesn't stop them. If anything, it provides them ammunition to go "See, this person is a sensitive one, let's add them to the list". Either your posts are public or they're not. There's a pretty clear distinction between the two, and anyone who thinks otherwise is sorely mistaken. The risk of people re-posting your…

> The block button doesn't stop them.

No and nobody claimed it does. Making it just a bit harder and making the other party jump through an extra hoop reduces it though. The extra friction has been implemented on many platforms and it works. Instagram adds friction in a different way, but also claims it has a positive result: https://builtin.com/software-engineering-perspectives/key-be...

You can also see people migrating to other platforms who raise the lack of search / being easily found as a feature. It's not black and white and it's not public or not. There's a whole range of how accessible your content is to parties who will attack you.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by hypeatei »

wepple wrote: post #124
jdminhbg wrote: post #113

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> AFAIK, you can't view any tweets unless logged in these days You can view a single tweet, but it won't display a thread for you unless you log in.

There does seem to be an exception for public outlets. I clicked a link to NYPDs twitter and didn’t have to AuthN. Makes sense too; every org who wanted their content to be fully available to anyone would leave if twitter mandated login (Although they still use Facebook)

> every org who wanted their content to be fully available...

Every single public account I've visited still has the feed in non-chronological order which instantly makes it useless to me. I don't care about a post from my city government in 2019.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by dwoldrich »

I wonder how long until X is profitable, and I worry my Elon-hating friend will lose his mind when it happens.

The hatred for Elon and Twitter/X, etc took me completely off guard the same way "Kids in Cages" did. I thought, "Where is all this spitting rage for Elon coming from? I thought he was the green energy guy, SpaceX is so cool."

I'd love to know where the "Kids in Cages" OP got started and where the evacuate to Mastadon movement was popularized. I feel like it's somewhere on Reddit.

Re: Twitter/X will let people you've blocked see your posts

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Post by thaumasiotes »

dotnet00 wrote: post #183
thaumasiotes wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not to mention people attempting to slander others behind a block (so the person being slandered has no idea until the damage is already done) I saw someone once post about their outrage over the practice of criticizing someone on Twitter without tagging the person you're criticizing in your tweet. ("Subtweeting.") Apparently the thinking goes that if anyone anywhere says something about you, you have the right to…

I'd argue that it really depends on the kind of criticism. What I had in mind was more along the lines of accusing someone of wrongdoing rather than just criticizing them. I think tagging someone when you're accusing them of wrongdoing is the fair thing to do, considering how quickly that sort of thing can whip others into a frenzy. I see a lot of this sort of thing, where someone will accuse someone of heinous thing…

https://reason.com/volokh/2019/11/20/academic-subtweeting/

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