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It's too bad there aren't more software projects (and jobs) like this.

Octopuses don’t have money, so the people with money aren’t interested in putting more resources into understanding octopuses.

But surely if they can punch fish they can click ads?

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

#182

Octopuses are practically alien. They can: - shape shift into so many different forms and shapes. - "invisibility", by instantanously changing colors & it's own skin texture, to match surrounds. - can regrow entire body parts if cut off (like arms) - have 9 brains (localized) - and are ridiculous intelligent

And yet like us they have two eyes. I wonder if we meet aliens from another star-orbiting planet if their light-sensors will look anything like ours.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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I love imagining how the fish are almost an extension of the way the octopuses think. Octopuses seem to have quite a bit of independent cognition in each of their arms, which are wrangled by the central brain. Now they're wrangling independent fish brains instead of octopus arm brains. Incredible

You might enjoy 'Children of Ruin' by Adrian Tchaikovsky, which explores this idea in depth with a civilization of genetically modified, super-intelligent octopuses. (Though I'd start with the first book in the series, 'Children of Time')

Also featuring geneticaly modified super-intelligent octopuses, is "Manifold: Time" by Stephen Baxter.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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I love imagining how the fish are almost an extension of the way the octopuses think. Octopuses seem to have quite a bit of independent cognition in each of their arms, which are wrangled by the central brain. Now they're wrangling independent fish brains instead of octopus arm brains. Incredible

You might enjoy 'Children of Ruin' by Adrian Tchaikovsky, which explores this idea in depth with a civilization of genetically modified, super-intelligent octopuses. (Though I'd start with the first book in the series, 'Children of Time')

A solid series, with descriptions of thought process feeling truly alien. I'm currently enjoying "The Mountain in the Sea" by Ray Nayler for more octopus based speculative fiction

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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But "teleporters" or "marathoners" or tons of other words follow the same pattern of stress and sound fine. "Photocopiers" extends it to four unstressed syllables and sounds fine.

We treat words like they have a single stressed syllable and everything else is unstressed, and that's a useful abstraction sometimes, but that's not actually true. "Photocopiers" has primary stress on the first syllable but secondary on the third - PHO -to-CO-pi-ers. The same goes for "teleporters" and "marathoners". But that also goes for "octopuses", so what gives? Seems like there's something else going on that m…

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Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Disneyfication of octopuses. In that video you'll see, exactly anything that you want to see. Would justify perfectly an: "in the video the octopus is seen trying to avoid being stolen its food by all the other fishes", that is the same behavior that you'll see if you break a crab or an urchin underwater. Many coastal fishes from rocky bottoms will come to steal any food scrap available. They don't cooperate with oth…

In the one short video you do see what you want to see. Meanwhile the researchers have hundreds of hours into this...

Probably shouldn't base your entire opinion of the study on a 17 second video or a fluff article.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-024-02525-2

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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aside: me after reading the headline: Shouldn't that be Octopii? But no! "The plural form octopii is doubly incorrect. Firstly, octopus derives from Greek, not Latin; its etymologically-consistent plural form is octopodes. Secondly, even if octopus were a second-declension Latin noun, the plural form would be octopi; in the correct plurals radii and gladii, with which octopii is analogous, the first ‘i’s are part of…

While I'm all for a history lesson (and the double-I octopii is indeed simply incorrect) I take issue with anyone insisting that "octopi" is wrong: 1. Language is neither static nor a series of rules to be blindly followed. The way a word was pluralized 1400 years ago has limited relevance today. 2. As noted just about everywhere, "octopodes" looks insane in any modern English sentence because we don't pluralize any…

> As noted just about everywhere, "octopodes" looks insane in any modern English sentence because we don't pluralize any other word that way.

I'm guessing "platypodes" doesn't count.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Could it be "Children of Time" by Adrian Tchaikovsky? (ht Claude)

> Could it be "Children of Time" by Adrian Tchaikovsky? Currently reading that one and there is no octopuses (only read half so far though) but a lot of spiders, ants and space-faring primates :)

Right. They are talking about the sequel, Children of Ruin.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

#190

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Because it turns it into a four-syllable word with three consecutive unstressed syllables. It has bad meter and ruins the meter of almost any sentence constructed around it.

But "teleporters" or "marathoners" or tons of other words follow the same pattern of stress and sound fine. "Photocopiers" extends it to four unstressed syllables and sounds fine.

All of these words have informal 3rd syllable stress so work fine.
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