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Re: Kagi Assistant

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> And unlike DDG, the quality of the results is actually great. Any chance you can expand on this? I've used DDG for years and find the results great, but maybe we just query for different things. Is there any specific topics that you find DDG is bad at but Kagi is good at?

I'm not a Kagi user and don't have any hard info. But I find DDG frustrating with searches. It tends to do fine enough with technical searches, like software/programming searches that I make. It's other random searches that it often fails with. DDG will fail to find the nuance in my search query, the results will flat out not be what I'm looking for, so as a sibling comment mentioned I'll fall back to using !G with s…

Are you using Tor by any chance? That's the only time I got these captchas.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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But do you seriously think you should get serious results in one second? I would understand the complaints about slowness if searches were taking like ten seconds, but a few seconds, I really must be getting old. I still remember when google was giving relevant results in page 2. Now it's pretty much useless for me, and the fast search makes me think they are throwing away tons of potentially good stuff just to make…

Kagi is pretty much useless past the first 3 results.

I haven't found that, but even if that is true, it saves you tons of time having to filter out all the sponsored results and get to the things that actually give you the information you where searching for.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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So for 25$ a month I get access to ChatGPT and Claude offerings in addition to access to Kagi search. This sounds like a good deal, compared to the 20$/month access to ChatGPT only. Or am I missing something?

What is the best paid service for private, anonymous, censorship free access to an LLM chatbot? Are there any that let you choose between multiple LLM backends to be able to compare answers or avoid being subject to secret system prompts, while still retaining privacy?

https://chat.enqai.com/ - decentralised, uncensorable

Re: Kagi Assistant

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To repeat myself from a recent HN thread: I've been using Kagi for a while (almost two years now!) and it's been nothing but excellent! Lenses are very useful (Reddit lens is on every second search), and I personally really like the AI features they are working on. The new more advanced assistant which is able to do searches, which can also be constrained to lenses, and lets you pick an arbitrary model, is excellent,…

I really wanted to like Kagi, I'm onboard with paying for search, but I've had had a big issue with its speed when doing the trial to be honest, am I the only one bothered by this? Perhaps this is because I'm in Europe and it's faster in the US? A search request to Kagi seems to take around two seconds for me (shows as ~1s in the Kagi UI), it just feels really unpleasant compared to Google, I'm used to firing of a co…

Greetings from Kenya. Been using Kagi for two years here... never noticed any issues with speed on search.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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The ability to use lenses with custom assistants is the killer feature IMO. Want to search for open source projects that implement some algorithm? Create a Github/Gitlab lens. Want to ask it questions only about some framework? Add it’s domain to a lens.

Yea, it solves a lot of limitations with LLMs generally struggling with 'niche' topics. Being able to innovate on the search side while everyone else loses a lot of many training LLMs feels like a good space to be in at the moment.

It’s interesting, I feel like LLMs are precisely good with niche topics where search engines are becoming absolutely garbage.

But maybe my search topics aren’t niche enough.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Interesting!! I'm not slamming you, or your experience or preferences. That said, I find very little difference between 2 seconds and one second or less than that. Search taking a small fragment of time just isn't a big deal and I search sometimes many times per day. What is the gain for you that makes 2 seconds an exception to using the product? Just curious. Peace, live well.

I feel like search is probably one of the most common things I do with a computer, I would say I often search many times per minute if I’m actively looking into some topic or issue. Because it’s such a common action for me, it feels like such a strong regression to go 2/3 times slower than before.

Thanks. I have a couple of thoughts to share:

Back in the day, IBM did a usability study. An application requiring the user to specify operations and fields for data input was setup two ways:

One way was manual, lots of clicks, and or input sequences. Each one did a specific thing quickly.

The other way was highly automated and the user was only required to click a few times. The tasks were the same. This way had more flow, fewer discrete commands, more functionality woven together.

To their surprise the users felt they were more productive with the software they clicked more, despite the automated version being less work and the workflow more efficient.

I bet the effective reduction in your search is minor, but the delays do accumulate and demand attention.

Given that, a small change to your flow may well change things!

What you should do is rapidly input your first queries and then as they appear, drill down on those, and when that appears, start to eliminate dead query windows, or drop fresh queries into them.

What you prefer, to use a car analogy, is one that corners like no other. Then you find yourself in one that lacks corner cases.

So you maximize your time in lane, straight road, batching the corner driving and flooring it on the straights.

I used to experience a similar thing running a browser on IRIX vd NT. The NT browser was quicker to respond where the IRIX one would delay a little and then just render it all quick

I just started working with a few windows. Changed everything. I would be typing in new queries while one I waited for was about to render.

It was a change from rapid fire to a more batch mode. Soon, I rarely had to think and my flow was fast all around.

I put this shared experience here in the hope you may be inclined to try different things.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#187

To repeat myself from a recent HN thread: I've been using Kagi for a while (almost two years now!) and it's been nothing but excellent! Lenses are very useful (Reddit lens is on every second search), and I personally really like the AI features they are working on. The new more advanced assistant which is able to do searches, which can also be constrained to lenses, and lets you pick an arbitrary model, is excellent,…

I really wanted to like Kagi, I'm onboard with paying for search, but I've had had a big issue with its speed when doing the trial to be honest, am I the only one bothered by this? Perhaps this is because I'm in Europe and it's faster in the US? A search request to Kagi seems to take around two seconds for me (shows as ~1s in the Kagi UI), it just feels really unpleasant compared to Google, I'm used to firing of a co…

Really strange, I'm in Europe too and I've always found it pretty snappy.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#188

To repeat myself from a recent HN thread: I've been using Kagi for a while (almost two years now!) and it's been nothing but excellent! Lenses are very useful (Reddit lens is on every second search), and I personally really like the AI features they are working on. The new more advanced assistant which is able to do searches, which can also be constrained to lenses, and lets you pick an arbitrary model, is excellent,…

I really wanted to like Kagi, I'm onboard with paying for search, but I've had had a big issue with its speed when doing the trial to be honest, am I the only one bothered by this? Perhaps this is because I'm in Europe and it's faster in the US? A search request to Kagi seems to take around two seconds for me (shows as ~1s in the Kagi UI), it just feels really unpleasant compared to Google, I'm used to firing of a co…

Sorry to hear your experience hasn’t been great. I’ve been using it from NZ for the last six months and haven’t noticed any speed differences. Just did trips to Canada and the US recently and I didn’t notice any difference in performance.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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I have been using Kagi for a while now. Something I have noticed recently is that it ignores a lot more of the words in my search queries, I felt the same thing with google over time, it shows results it thinks I want not the things I want.

Have you tried reporting those queries? I've seen issues like this being mentioned in the changelog with certain keywords.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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post #168

I have been using Kagi for a while now. Something I have noticed recently is that it ignores a lot more of the words in my search queries, I felt the same thing with google over time, it shows results it thinks I want not the things I want.

+"Searching" +"Like" +"This" works for me. Whenever I try this with Google, I can't seem to get it to work though. According to [0], it is not an official search operator anymore. 0 - https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en

Yeah they’d thrown that baby out with the bathwater because Google+ had wanted to use it.
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