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Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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> If you get turned down for a job, or your health insurance rates go up, or you have to pay more for something than you would have otherwise It must suck to live in a capitalist dystopia. Dunno why Americans put up with it.

Where do you live, that sucks less?

Australia seems significantly better in most quality of life metrics. Many EU countries as well.

The UK doesn't seem so good any more from recent reports though. :(

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Unfortunately no. The entire point of DoH is to bypass the ability of the users to prevent browsers from providing browsing habits to their owners.

No, that is not the entire point of DoH. That’s like saying the entire point of TLS is to prevent users from looking at the traffic being sent to a website. DNS without DoH, DoT, or DoQ, is wide open to anyone snooping traffic in the raw, that’s not necessarily information you want to share with the world.

> That’s like saying the entire point of TLS is to prevent users from looking at the traffic being sent to a website.

In the case of mobile apps, it is.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Unfortunately no. The entire point of DoH is to bypass the ability of the users to prevent browsers from providing browsing habits to their owners.

No, that is not the entire point of DoH. That’s like saying the entire point of TLS is to prevent users from looking at the traffic being sent to a website. DNS without DoH, DoT, or DoQ, is wide open to anyone snooping traffic in the raw, that’s not necessarily information you want to share with the world.

The entire point of DoH is to take away control of DNS from the OS vendor to the browser.

There were other encrypted standards(dnscrypt for example) that didn't require you to do that, but the one that bypasses the OS was forced by adtech monopolist in charge.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Shed a tear for the Firefox that could have been

Firefox Nightly just got official vertical tabs. It is also just as fast as Chrome now, subjectively just browsing around. No issues with Google services like Youtube (I'm an addict) I keep Chrome installed just in case, and Edge due to being on Windows.

Firefox already has "vertical tabs" * from the Tree Style Tabs addon. Why not just support that?

* side tabs, I would say, the tab is a horizontal extension of the page, so they're horizontal tabs, right?

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Mozilla is a Google vassal and nothing more. Google analytics? Check. Firefox Safebrowsing sending your private tab traffic to google? Of course! https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/firefox Mozilla only has their Google billion$ in mind, not you. https://digdeeper.neocities.org/articles/mozilla

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I think it's the tone of the site that turns people off. I'm sympathetic to the message, and I love a simple website without JS and trackers, but I have to admit that design wise it's a little reminiscent of some of the websites made by schizophrenics.

Whoever that creator is it looks like they've even missed some things too. I didn't see anything about the Mr Robot fiasco, or that one time they pushed a pop up ad at everyone and then, after the backlash, told the firefox users who were upset about it to add a line to about:config that would only disable the one ad they'd already clicked past: browser.vpn_promo.enabled = true Keeping the door open for using browser.whatever_else_promo.enabled later on I guess.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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This is a tough situation. Yes, this can, and will, be abused for tracking users across domains that they don't expect to be related. But there are also legitimate use cases for this. For example, consider the stackexchange family of sites. They are clearly related, have a unified branding, etc. but are on separate domains. On Firefox, which blocks third party cookies, I have to log in to each of those domains separa…

Stack overflow was founded in 2008. Netscape added a block third party cookie button in 1997 (and the web has mostly worked fine with that feature turned on ever since).

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

#187

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Unfortunately no. The entire point of DoH is to bypass the ability of the users to prevent browsers from providing browsing habits to their owners.

DoH and similar technologies don't override /etc/hosts. They're just a different way of making DNS queries. The entire point of these technologies is to prevent your ISP and everyone else along the way from knowing which websites you visit.

DoH means that each application does its own DNS queries, instead of using the OS's functionality. Whether that includes reading /etc/hosts is up to the application, and it looks like high profile applications like Chrome and Firefox don't read /etc/hosts.

> The entire point of these technologies is to prevent your ISP and everyone else along the way from knowing which websites you visit.

More correctly, the point is to shift all that from one organization to another. Maybe you trust Google or Mozilla more than you trust your ISP, but I don't think it's the same for everyone.

You could even argue that your ISP can already see which hosts you connect to, so using it's DNS resolvers doesn't add much information for them. Using DoH means that both your ISP and another party can see that.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Not that it makes him any less opposed to same-sex marriage, but I think 'vocal' is very much not the right word here. The only quotes I can find from him on the subject are him saying he's not going to talk about it.

"Unrepentant financial supporter of opposition to same-sex marriage" is a more accurate description.

Basically, we got played, Eich made a private political action, someone used that to get rid of him and then Firefox starting paying 10x as much to their CEO, doing all sorts of anti-user stuff, acting in advertiser's favour (but not too overtly), and ultimately ditching their engineers so they could maintain the CEOs stupid pay. All while begging users for money.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

#189

Have been using Firefox for a long time, no issues, though long ago when I had little memory, Chrome was using less of it. Firefox also has HTTPS-only mode, encrypted DNS without fallbacks, supports SOCKS and Encrypted Client Hello (although almost no website support it). However, it is better to just buy more memory (unless you are lucky to use Apple products). Regarding analytics, I believe browsers should take use…

tbh, many of the main browsers have marketing companies as their main customers
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