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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by gmueckl »

codedokode wrote: post #164
gmueckl wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is absolutely not how it works. If you offer a platform for public discourse you are required by law to moderate it or face the consequences. Telegram group chats are technically open to moderation, yet the company has done nothing to put any kind of moderation in place. This is in contrast to Facebook or Twitter. Those platforms will absolutely take down content that is offensive or criminal in nature.

You can report any post in public or private groups to moderators.

I don't see a report button anywhere in the Android app. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by selivanovp »

alex00 wrote: post #68
k1ndl1 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is used heavily in both Ukraine & Russia. But I doubt it has anything to do with it.

Between Ukraine and Russia, Telegram is the only choice for Russia. Ukraine has many many other options. What else is there for Russians to communicate with the outer world?

The problem is not with communication with the outer world. The problem with other messengers is that everything you type there is monitored by CIA/NSA and Ukraine has access to this information. Telegram right now is the only secure messenger that doesn't leak them data on Russian citizens.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by Glacia »

k1ndl1 wrote: post #153
Glacia wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously FSB is not going to make a press release and be like "We have the keys LOL" so there would never be definitive proof. Fun fact: Telegram at some point was blocked in Russia for not giving FSB access to data. Later telegram was unblocked and is used extensively in Russia. It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked.

It was unblocked because of the backlash from people, incl. Russian politicians who are heavy Telegram users. FSB has nothing to do with it.

>It was unblocked because of the backlash from people, incl. Russian politicians who are heavy Telegram users. FSB has nothing to do with it.

Saying Russian government would give a shit about people opinions, funny joke.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by alex00 »

gmueckl wrote: post #139
greatgib wrote: post #2

I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…

That is absolutely not how it works. If you offer a platform for public discourse you are required by law to moderate it or face the consequences. Telegram group chats are technically open to moderation, yet the company has done nothing to put any kind of moderation in place. This is in contrast to Facebook or Twitter. Those platforms will absolutely take down content that is offensive or criminal in nature.

Facebook does not generally take down content that is offensive or criminal in nature.

The have moderation teams because they are required by law. These are outsourced to the lowest bidder. They are so overwhelmed by the amount of that content.

Watch those documentaries about the psychological traumas inflicted to those that moderate Facebook content.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by Terretta »

yvino wrote: post #5

on what charges ?

Key points:

- Pavel Durov, founder and CEO of Telegram, was arrested in France after arriving from Azerbaijan.

- Durov was detained at Le Bourget Airport by the Gendarmerie des Transports Aériens (GTA) due to a French warrant.

- The warrant was issued on claims of Telegram’s lack of moderation and cooperation with law enforcement, making Durov complicit in crimes such as drug trafficking, pedophilia-related offenses, and fraud.

- Durov’s arrest was contingent on him being on French territory, as he is listed in the FPR (wanted persons file). Unclear why he decided to land there.

- Durov is now in custody and will face a judge, with potential charges including terrorism, drug offenses, complicity, fraud, money laundering, and pedophilia-related content.

- Authorities believe Durov will likely be placed in pre-trial detention due to his substantial financial resources and perceived flight risk.

- The arrest aims to pressure European countries to cooperate on law enforcement efforts against crimes facilitated through Telegram, particularly terrorism and organized crime.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by enlyth »

lovegrenoble wrote: post #155
wkat4242 wrote: post #142

Edit: Oops it was already posted, sorry. I should have known. I checked but I forgot to check the 'new' page :( My apologies. FWIW I really like Telegram, I hope it will get cleared up soon.

Already deleted... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41341353

Not deleted, just suddenly demoted to the 4th page. It's that broken HN algorithm that randomly messes up the front page for no reason.
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