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Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#181
post #46

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What does it mean to be a skeptic here? Have you tried ChatGPT? Copilot?

Perhaps I should have said "AI hype-skeptic"? I am just not seeing the productivity gains that others claim ITT.

Got it. Are you using the latest models? Like, GPT-4o ? I find it significantly more useful when I'm stuck than copilot's autocomplete.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#182
post #77

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> Seriously I am a 2x coder compared to what I was because of this. Isn't the energy consumption of this technology pretty catastrophic? Do you consider the issue of energy consumption so abstracted you don't worry about it? Do you do anything to offset your increased carbon emissions?

You think silicon valley types care?

Rest of the developing world care even less.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#183
post #131

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I am highly skeptical that a competent coder sees a 2x boost.

I am a competent coder. I have been a coder since I was in middle school. I know at least 10 languages, and I could write my own from scratch. I know c++ dart golang java html css javascript typescript lua react vue angular angularjs c# swift sql in various dialects including mysql and postgres, and have worked professionally in all these regards. I love to challenge myself. In fact, if I done something before, I fin…

That kinda proves my point. You find it useful when you’re doing something outside your core competencies.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#184

I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness. I've worked in machine learning and built products for over 20 years and now use AI a fair bit in the ed-tech work we do. So I've seen how the field has progressed and also have been able to look at it from a perspective most AI/engineering people don't -- what does this artificial intelligence look like when compared to biological intelligence.…

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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#185
post #84

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We are but prediction machines https://www.psy.ox.ac.uk/news/the-brain-is-a-prediction-mach...

Is this a good thing ? Because apparently we’re supposed to be building god. So it sounds like we’re on the wrong track, am I wrong ? If we’ve just copied our feeble abilities, is that supposed to be exciting? Is god like intelligent just a prediction machine too ?

Well, if we intend "building god" perhaps we're merely making a copy of a copy of God:

The Sixth Day

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. ”…

Genesis 1:26-27 Berean Standard Bible

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#186
post #151

The OP is not about AI as a field of research. It's about whether the gobs of money invested in "AI" products and services in recent years, fueled by hype and FOMO, will earn a return, and whether we are approaching the bust of a classic boom-bust over-investment cycle. Seemingly every non-tech company in the world has been trying to figure out an "AI strategy," driven by hype and FOMO, but most corporate executives…

> Nvidia appears to be the only financial beneficiary

It depends how you look at it. A lot of the spend by big tech can be seen as protecting what they already have from disruption. Its not all about new product revenues it’s about keeping the revenue share in the markets they already have.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#187

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I am highly skeptical that a competent coder sees a 2x boost.

Reminds me of The Primeagen quote: “If copilot made you 10x better, then you were only a 0.1x programmer to begin with” . As someone who uses ChatGPT and Claude daily, but cancelled my Copilot subscription after a year of use because it intimately just wasn’t that helpful to me and didn’t provide enough benefit over doing it by hand, I kind of sort of agree. Maybe not entirely, but I can’t shake the feeling that ther…

> I also feel it makes you, the human programmer, lazy. We need to exercise our brains, not delegate too much to a dumb computer.

I kinda feel like this isn't talked about enough, my main concern right from the beginning was that new programmers would rely on it too much and never improve their own abilities.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#189
post #78

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How do you know?

Common sense, having been around cloud operations for a bit. The big cloud providers run gross margins around 30%. So if openai are using MSFT and getting a "good deal" maybe MSFT only get 20% GM. So, $1 of openai compute costs MSFT say $0.80. Of that cost of providing the service, something like 30-40% goes to electricity. So, lets say the electricity cost is $0.30 for $1 of OpenAI compute. (And that's probably a st…

Doesn't seem anything definitive to me.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#190
post #127

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I've worked in AI for the past 30 years and have seen enthusiasm as robust as yours go bust before. Just because some kinds of narrow AI have done extraordinarily well -- namely those tasks that recognize patterns using connections between FSMs -- does not mean that same mechanisms will continue to scale up to human-level cognition, much less exceed it any time soon. The breakthroughs where deep AI have excelled -- o…

"AGI" is a nonsense term anyway. Humans don't have "general" intelligence either: our intelligence is specialized to our environment.

Humans is the most general intelligence we know about, so that is why we called it general intelligence, because we have made so many intelligences that are specialized on a specific domain like calculators or chess engines we need a word for something that is as general as humans, because being able to replace humans is a very important goal.
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