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AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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There’s skill involved in using these. Of course there is. That doesn’t make them useless.

depends on the tool and purpose. There was skill in navigating a file system, and now the next generation (obbscured from folder systems by mobile) seem to be losing that ability. You can look at it in two ways, neither are particularly wrong unless your job is in fact to navigate file systems.

Of course, LLMs would be more useful to many more people if they could be used without skill, and were as "useful" as a human mentor.

That's true, and they lack that capability. Many people seem to react as though this means they're missing all value, however. I find them incredibly useful; it just isn't possible to get much value out without investing effort myself.

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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One of my local car dealerships is using an chat system of some kind (probably an LLM?). It's awful and a complete waste of time. I'm not sure if LLMs are getting good use yet / general chatbots are good or ready for business use.

But this is like companies forcing self-checkout at retail. Companies get to cheap out on their customer support by paying a monthly fee instead of paying a person to do it. It doesn't matter if it's worse for you, as every business is getting sold on using this technology. You misery and wasted time is their improved stock price and bonus package.

This works if you have a dominant market position, like Meta or Amazon, but a business like a local car dealership might be very ill served with this model since their customers can just go elsewhere.

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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git still works pretty well, I just wouldn't try to use it as a bank account.

git blockchains are famous for being easy to fork (-;

Any blockchain is easy to fork, just have a fully copy of the chain and make a new block.

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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ChatGPT is very useful for me to the point that I pay subscription fee. To me it IS the product.

I haven't found a use for it. What do you use it for?

It is my new Google, ever since Web Search and the Web itself stopped to work as a source of information.

When I look for answers to specific questions, I either search Wikipedia, or ask ChatGPT. "Searching the Internet" doesn't work anymore with all the ADs, pop-ups and "optimized" content that I have to consume before I get to find the answers.

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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I haven't found a use for it. What do you use it for?

It's outrageous at translation. I can set it to record next to my wife and her grandma speaking in Korean, through phone speakers , and it creates a perfect transcription and translation. Insane.

what is the delay? i imagine translation specific models would be better?

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Git is by the literal definition a blockchain.

No idea why this got down voted. git is very much a blockchain - sequential list of changes to a data source (commits) - single, shared history of changes (main branch) - users creating potential next change(s) to be added to the history (side branches and forks) - consensus mechanism for new change blocks (merge requests and code reviews or approvals) What's missing?

Receiving a coin / token everytime someone gets their branch merged? This is a joke btw, please don't make a gitcoin YC....

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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How was tech different then? We've been working on AI for 70 years now, seems comparable.

We’ve been working on digital computers for 70 years and AI is just one part of that. Computers are everywhere and suddenly AI is being crammed into every product, it seems. In the first 90 years of steam, steam engines did not suddenly appear everywhere. Outside of factories and mines, they essentially did not exist. No one had a steam engine in their home. Innovation happened very slowly, no equivalent of Moore’s l…

The products are different, sure. And there are more people participating now than then. But I'm not convinced that the two are that fundamentally different. Some technologies just take the better part of a century to mature.

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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depends on the tool and purpose. There was skill in navigating a file system, and now the next generation (obbscured from folder systems by mobile) seem to be losing that ability. You can look at it in two ways, neither are particularly wrong unless your job is in fact to navigate file systems.

Of course, LLMs would be more useful to many more people if they could be used without skill, and were as "useful" as a human mentor. That's true, and they lack that capability. Many people seem to react as though this means they're missing all value, however. I find them incredibly useful; it just isn't possible to get much value out without investing effort myself.

>LLMs would be more useful to many more people if they could be used without skill, and were as "useful" as a human mentor.

That is partially marketing's fault, so I say that confusion is self inflicted. Because marketing isn't focusing on "make yourself more productive!"

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Companies keep going at it the wrong way. Instead of saying "We have AI, let's find products we can make out of AI!" they should be saying, "What products do people want, let's use whatever tools we have (including maybe AI) to make them." The idea that a company is an AI company should be as ridiculous as a company being a Python company. "We are Python-first, have Python experts, and all of our products are made wi…

I'm not so sure. When a technological wave is big enough, it seems reasonable to start by asking: "what business can be built on this exponential wave?" This is contrary to standard YC advice (make something people want right away, don't create a solution in search of a problem) but empirically a lot of big companies started this way:

- Bezos saw the growth rate of the internet, spent a few months mulling over the question: "what business would make sense to start in the context of massive internet adoption" and came up with an online bookstore.

- OpenAI's ChatGPT effort really began when they saw Google's paper on transformers and decided to see how far they could push this technology (it's hard to imagine they forecasted all the chatbot usecases; in reality I'm sure they were just stoked to push the technology forward).

- Intel was founded on the discovery of the integrated circuit, and again I think the dominant motivation was to see how far they could push transistor density with a very hazy vision at best of how the CPUs would eventually be used.

I think the reason this strategy works is that the newness of a truly important technology counteracts much of the adverse selection of starting a new business. If you make a new To-Do iPhone app, it's unlikely that people have overlooked a great idea in that space over the last 10 years. But if lithium ion batteries only just barely started becoming energy dense enough to make a car, there's a much more plausible argument why you could be successful now.

Said another way: "why hasn't this been done before?" (both by resource-rich incumbents as well as new entrants) is a good filter (and often a limiting one) for starting a business. New technological capabilities are one good answer to this question. Therefore if you're trying to come up with an idea for a business, it seems reasonable to look at new technologies that you think are actually important and then reason backward to what new businesses they enable.

Two additional positive factors I can think of:

1. A common dynamic is that a new technology is progressing rapidly but is of course far behind traditional solutions at the outset. Thus it is difficult to find immediate applications, even if large applications are almost guaranteed in 10-20 years. Getting in early - during the borderline phase where most applications are very contrived - is often a big advantage. See Tesla Roadster (who wants a $100k electric sports car with 200mi range and minimal charging network?), early computers (what is the advantage of a slow machine with no GUI over doing work by hand?), and perhaps current LLMs (how valuable is a chatbot that frequently hallucinates and has trouble thinking critically in original ways)? It's the classic Innovator's Dilemma - we overweight the initial warts and don't properly forecast how quickly things are improving.

2. There is probably a helpful motivational force for many people if they get to feel that they are on the cutting edge of technology that interests them and building products that simply weren't possible two years ago.

Re: AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products

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Companies keep going at it the wrong way. Instead of saying "We have AI, let's find products we can make out of AI!" they should be saying, "What products do people want, let's use whatever tools we have (including maybe AI) to make them." The idea that a company is an AI company should be as ridiculous as a company being a Python company. "We are Python-first, have Python experts, and all of our products are made wi…

People want a faster horse

Also one that flies, fueled by atomic power.
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