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Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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chx wrote: post #178
alwa wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For context, OpenAI recently caught flak from the less substantial organs of the American press for outsourcing RLHF/safety/content moderation tasks to a small SF firm called Sama (surely coincidental, eh @sama?). Sama hired workers in Kenya, Uganda, and India and paid them well above prevailing local wages, but the work involved the usual unpleasantness that content moderators have to deal with. Much ballyhooing abo…

I refuse the framing of tech bros exploiting African workers as "Much ballyhooing about neo-colonialism".

Offering locally competitive wages is exploiting?

If a company is based in NYC, and has a branch in rural Ohio, are the Ohioans being exploited if they aren't paid as much as their NYC counterparts despite drastically reduced cost of living in rural Ohio?

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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chx wrote: post #178
alwa wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For context, OpenAI recently caught flak from the less substantial organs of the American press for outsourcing RLHF/safety/content moderation tasks to a small SF firm called Sama (surely coincidental, eh @sama?). Sama hired workers in Kenya, Uganda, and India and paid them well above prevailing local wages, but the work involved the usual unpleasantness that content moderators have to deal with. Much ballyhooing abo…

I refuse the framing of tech bros exploiting African workers as "Much ballyhooing about neo-colonialism".

Isn't this the classic problem with getting involved in poorer economies? The African workers are worse off than if they were treated as an average US worker, but better off than an average African worker, and definitely better off than if Sama has hired Americans instead.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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doix wrote: post #3

Pretty light article, does anyone have any more context? Does this set a strong precedent for all these types of sites? Booking.com wouldn't be the only site reselling airline tickets, in fact I wasn't even aware they did flights. Does Booking.com do something particularly bad compared to something like SkyScanner or Google flights? > "We expect that this ruling will end the internet piracy and overcharging perpetrat…

> Why is it almost always cheaper to buy through some weird 3rd party than with the airline directly?

> sometimes it's over $50 cheaper

$ tells me you are in the US where these kind of legacy shenanigans happen. Never with Ryanair.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by petsfed »

miroljub wrote: post #123
mensetmanusman wrote: post #121

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So they could hire some mechanical turks from Africa to type prices into an Excel sheet for $5000.

Why Africa? Why not southern Wyoming?

Do you not know anything about the economy of southern Wyoming?

Extractive industry is such a job creator there that for decades now, e.g. McDonalds couldn't keep enough people on hand. Why would I work a shitty job for minimum wage, when I could work another, similarly shitty job, for 4 times that amount?

Extractive industry is such a job creator in Wyoming that they actively resist e.g. renewable energy projects that would provide economic stability during inevitable bust years, because it challenges the concept of extractive industry, even as extractive industry generates the boom/bust cycle.

Southern Wyoming doesn't even have fucking Uber, you really think they're starving for gig-sector jobs like this?

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by chx »

lesuorac wrote: post #153
reddalo wrote: post #75

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I'm not sure Google Flights actually scrapes RyanAir. I think they connect to API services such as Amadeus.

Google owns ITA which has all of the pricing data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITA_Software

Not Ryanair, no. Wizz Air got semi-recently hooked into the GDS systems but Ryanair no.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by Wytwwww »

chx wrote: post #178
alwa wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For context, OpenAI recently caught flak from the less substantial organs of the American press for outsourcing RLHF/safety/content moderation tasks to a small SF firm called Sama (surely coincidental, eh @sama?). Sama hired workers in Kenya, Uganda, and India and paid them well above prevailing local wages, but the work involved the usual unpleasantness that content moderators have to deal with. Much ballyhooing abo…

I refuse the framing of tech bros exploiting African workers as "Much ballyhooing about neo-colonialism".

offering jobs well above prevailing local wages = exploiting

I would assume you also believe that every single person working for a wage is also by definition exploiting regardless of where they are? Otherwise it would make very little sense...

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by Wytwwww »

arghwhat wrote: post #119
SoftTalker wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We used to regulate air travel. It was a lot more expensive then.

And you still regulate it, just differently. The implied conclusion that regulation makes things expensive is wrong, and comparing the air travel market over half a century ago with the market today, and crediting a change made in 1978 for the difference doesn’t make sense. EU air travel is quite regulated with e.g. consumer rights for cash compensation, hotel and food service in case of delay, and yet air travel rea…

> having tickets be free - the main source of income for the airlines was in duty-free on either end of the journey anyway

I'm sure that was pretty far-fetched and not something actually viable. Considering duty-free isn't even a thing for most Ryanair/other cheap airline flights because they are inside the EU.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by Wytwwww »

xienze wrote: post #149
SoftTalker wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We used to regulate air travel. It was a lot more expensive then.

> We used to regulate air travel. It was a lot more expensive then. I'm not sure this is the gotcha you think it is. Air travel, even in coach, was downright luxury compared to where it is today, and I'm not even talking about in the distant past, I'm talking about 25 or so years ago. Seats are narrower, legroom is practically nonexistent, and the seats only recline like two inches these days. Also almost everything…

Exactly. You can still fly businesses and pay the same price as before, it just became massively more accessible than before,
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