Open source is great and new things are great and pursuing your passion is great. The rhetoric here however is lacking. Specifically the argument is "google money bad" but the authors don't provide specific examples where google money has caused a technical decision they disagree with.
Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
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Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks F3nd0! There are currently no plans to switch to a less permissive license. And we're perfectly happy using proprietary services like GitHub and Discord as long as they make our work easier and more enjoyable. We recently evaluated a number of alternatives, and found that they all introduced more friction than we were comfortable with. Although the task of building a browser is itself challenging, we're a prag…
> (...) switch to a less permissive license. License "permissiveness" is a relative concept. From the point of view of the users of your software, the GPL is more permissive than MIT, since they have permission to see the source code. If you release software under MIT or BSD licenses, you allow middlemen to strip this right to users of your software.
Don’t spread FUD please. Middlemen can’t change Ladybird’s license or prevent anyone from seeing its source code.
I know that’s not what you meant, but it is what you said.
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Congratulations on the kick-off! Now that Ladybird is no longer a part of SerenityOS, will you consider a switch to a licence which not only grants, but also protects user freedoms (e.g. the GPL, MPL, EUPL)? Also, any thoughts on having official communication channels on some open, freedom-respecting platforms, rather than Discord only?
Indeed. This is something I could see myself contributing to (or attempting to, anyway), but as soon as I saw Discord+Github, I lost all interest. Github I can understand to some extent, it's a convenient temporary staying place until they can afford, community-wise, to move to something truly open, but Discord? In this day and age?
> but Discord? In this day and age?
What’s your recommended alternative?
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Look, I am as annoyed as you are with the constant barrage of "rewritten in Rust" projects, but if Mozilla did not try various other projects that are not browser, there would be no Rust.
Also the Mozilla originated Fluent project for localization is another example of a stand out approach. It would be interesting to see how localization fits with the Ladybird browser project as a whole. Making use of a custom implementation of Fluent might actually be a good way of moving forward.
Do people actually use Fluent? When I showed it to some professional translators, the reaction was along the lines of: “Hmm, interesting, but does it fit into my existing [roughly speaking XLIFF] tooling? No? Then no.” More generally, a technical translator’s flow is turning a table of strings into a table of strings with minimal distractions and the occasonal look at the reference; I’m not sure Fluent—however nice it looks—facilitates that.
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#185>Why build a new browser in C++ when safer and more modern languages are available? >Ladybird started as a component of the SerenityOS hobby project, which only allows C++. The choice of language was not so much a technical decision, but more one of personal convenience. Andreas was most comfortable with C++ when creating SerenityOS, and now we have almost half a million lines of modern C++ to maintain. >However, now…
Nice to see. The only thing that would meaningfully set it apart from the others would be to have a core that isn’t a big ball of C++. That would potentially allow it to be developed and maintained with less resource than the other browsers, and that would be the only way this ever reaches any kind of impact.
If I'm not wrong Firefox is already Rust. The language was even created inside Mozilla.
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#186Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)
What's your point of view about quirks as you can find in other browsers and how do you plan to handle websites that rely on unintended browser behavior ?
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reality check: 1. All the BSDs have been out there for decades without anyone running with it. 2. Google and Microsoft - while being a shadow of their former selves technically - are probably still very capable of reimplementing whatever they want. 3. If Ladybird gets so wildly popular, lets celebrate wildly!
Cisco's OS is a fork of BSD.
Which one? They have dozens of “OSes” across their various products.
Cisco IOS is absolutely not based on BSD - it is a proprietary kernel, and such that it even has a “userland”, a proprietary userland.
IOS XE is based on Linux.
Most of the voice stuff is Linux.
Perhaps you are thinking of Juniper’s JunOS, which is based on FreeBSD?
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#188Looks like the website of a startup that wants my email so they can "get back to me with a quote". Such soulless corpo design is not befitting of a project this nice.
My first impression was the same. Another VC-backed SaaS vibes.
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the biggest challenge you expect for ladybird to be successful and do you consider this project still a "hobby" now? Thanks again for your hard work!
We have a number of big challenges in the immediate future, but I think the biggest one of all will be the long tail of compatibility and correctness issues that inevitably awaits us after everything falls into place. This is definitely more than a hobby at this point. I already manage 3 employees, with 3 more joining in the next month!
> We have a number of big challenges in the immediate future, but I think the biggest one of all will be the long tail of compatibility and correctness issues
No kidding... how about get it roughly working on hacker news, and make it the hackers way to start each day, and pull in as much help and community as possible from here?
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#190Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)
Seeing someone ignore the naysayers and attempt the so-called impossible task of developing a new independent browser is awesome to see. It brings a glimmer of hope that the internet is not doomed to be ruled by advertising companies with only a stagnant controlled opposition browser as the alternative.
That said, Ladybird is obviously far from becoming the daily driver for the average webizen. What do you think is going to be the first milestone where Ladybird is going to be able to be a real alternative (even if limited to certain use cases) and in what timeframe do you think this can be accomplished?
Also, do you already have any plans or ideas for how to improve the web browsing experience beyond what existing browsers provide or is your focus entirely on the engine catching up for now?