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Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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New cancer from Microsoft is exciting news. But I'm still dealing with the candy crash AIDS. How can I remove this crap from my computer? And also is there a way to remove the ads? Do they have some kind of an extortion plan like Google or I'll have to hack myself through it?

Enshitification ensues.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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post #32

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> ...to get new PC gamers onto an alternative for there to be a considerable shift away from Windows. Have you tried Steam on Linux? It works amazingly well, either with native Linux support in games or through Proton support (their Windows emulation layer). Quite a few people I know have gone that route and are shocked at just how well it works in practice.

I'm all in on Linux at this point - it's been usable for a long time. My comments not really about whether it works, as we know it does, it's about how we go about getting the word out there.

Offer to install it to people who experience difficulties with Windows, and never lie about it being much simpler or N times faster; don't forget to ask first if they use any special software/hardware that requires Windows or has only Windows drivers. Offer alternatives, but always be clear that they're not the same thing. 99.9% of non professional Office users wouldn't even notice the differences with LibreOffice, but that's not a good reason to tell them that the two products are identical: they're not, but one is open and free, both in price and in how it respect the user, which for many people could count a lot more than the extra features MS Office has over LibreOffice. One thing that worked for me many times is that I always offered full support for any problems the user would encounter, and to install Windows back and for free if after a given period of time they didn't find Linux usable for them. One has to understand that the common non tech user trying Linux can't easily phone their friends, coworkers, kids, nephews, etc. not even the PC repair shop down the street and magically find a Linux expert, so they must be given something that works and is well supported. Word of mouth will do the rest: most users don't care about pervasive advertising or spyware, Closed vs Open Source etc, but others do, and they're the ones telling about Linux and bringing other users in.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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iCloud Drive, and actually the entire iCloud ecosystem is opt-in

Yes, but the question is how they implemented it. Are there dark patterns, is it all-or-nothing, etc.? Also, with iCloud being at the heart of Apple's ecosystem, a simple bug may very well cause accidental sharing of sensitive data. Even if that never happens, it does not make me sleep better.

Apple’s apps make it pretty clear when something is local and when something is in iCloud. Even for iCloud users, it’s usually an explicit choice per file or object. Photos is the notable exception.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

Did you login with ms account? if so, why? I don't think it can upload if you aren't logged in.

I literally did an install of Win 11 this week - trying to stay offline didn't work, trying to enter false details didn't work, couldn't find any other tricks and so had to make yet another account.

Got it installed, added the family as users, tried to login to my young child's freshly minted account. Apart from taking forever, you then have to go through all the "let us copy all your data" and "we're going to advertise to you, so you may as well let us personalise the ads!" and so on ... and you have to do that for every member of the family ... it's an absolutely diabolical time suck.

And of course you can't, for goodness knows what reason, just point at the existing Win10 install to copy all the profiles and settings across.

It all sucks.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

I had this happen about a year ago. OneDrive changed the default path for the Documents folder to the one you mentioned above, but I only noticed it when I wasn't able to find some files in the Documents folder. It turned out that some files were being saved to the default path C:\Users\username\Documents. So I tried to move the Documents folder from the directory made by OneDrive back to the default one, but it gave me an error. Then I tried to fix it in the registry, but there were quite a lot of different entries for the default path, and I wasn't able to figure out which one I should change or remove. In the end, I had to reinstall Windows. Now each time I install Windows on any PC, the first thing I do is remove OneDrive.

Unfortunately, this problem somehow happened again on my current Windows installation. Maybe I forgot to remove OneDrive this time, or it was automatically reinstalled during some update.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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post #127

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> It's hard to convey without coming off as unhinged Man. I have felt this way a whole lot lately. I think some people see Linux users and genuinely can't fathom how or why they'd want to go through all of the trouble choosing to use Linux and doing real work on it. A lot of us look back just as puzzled, because when I switched to a Linux desktop for the first time in around 2004, it was definitely a choice, but it h…

Yeah I ran Linux as my daily driver 2004-2017 and I regret it. Since then I run Windows 10 + WSL and life is good. Win10 support ends next year and I am at a complete loss at what to do. Linux desktop never worked, never will, the incentives are not there. It's only free if you don't value your time. As I wrote before , your choices are Ubuntu where an OS upgrade shatters your entire system so throughly it takes days…

Go Mac. The GUI is stable and boring: the Finder hasn’t changed much in years. It’s Unix underneath so you can use command-line stuff or dusty programs like Emacs.

You can now pick up a MacBook Air at Walmart for $700. Considering the inflation we’ve had, that’s actually reasonable. It will do the Unixy stuff well. My Mac is of this same class and I’m happy with it.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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> if so, why? Have you tried installing Windows 11 without signing in to a Microsoft account? It's very difficult to do and the instructions online keep having to change as Microsoft makes it more and more difficult. What I'm finding now [0] involves using a hotkey to open command prompt at a certain part of the installation process and running a command to disable the internet before you proceed. [0] https://www.tom…

"Very difficult" is a bit of an exaggeration. Don't connect to the internet, press 1 hotkey and enter 1 line of text ("OOBE\bypassnro"). While it's absolutely stupid that it needs to be done at all, it's not "very difficult".

I don't need to that on macos. Or Linux. Or whatever the fuck I want to use.

I don't need to disconnect from my network either. It just "work".

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Next October (2025) is the end of the road, because my desktop can't be upgraded to Win11 and they tell me that about once a month.

October 2025 is EOL for 22H2, but 1809 LTSC is supported until 2029.

There's also IoT LTSC that goes til 2032.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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post #171
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I'm all for hating on Microsoft for their continued destruction of the local Windows 11 experience, but I actually think this is a good decision. Assuming you're logging in with a Microsoft account, and assuming you have a OneDrive account, it's a better experience to set up the folder backup feature as early as possible in the set-up process. If you really don't want it, it's easy to undo. I still don't like being f…

What happens when small-firm doctors, therapists, dentists, etc. are suddenly having your (their patients') medical information backed-up to OneDrive? Microsoft only provide HIPAA compliance if a certain paid tier is purchased. If they automatically turn OneDrive on how will this not be a privacy nightmare?

From what I've gleaned from my social worker/therapist house mate is that you're not supposed to be storing any of that data on a non-compliant device to begin with. They can't keep anything local, and use some portal to a company that specializes in HIPAA storage.

I agree in general though, there are plenty of documents that really shouldn't be suddenly dumped to the cloud

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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> if so, why? Have you tried installing Windows 11 without signing in to a Microsoft account? It's very difficult to do and the instructions online keep having to change as Microsoft makes it more and more difficult. What I'm finding now [0] involves using a hotkey to open command prompt at a certain part of the installation process and running a command to disable the internet before you proceed. [0] https://www.tom…

I guess mine just came pre-installed without that. But my point still stands, just don't interact with the crap and you're still somewhat safer.

Sure, but the typical person is not going to have a clue how to avoid interacting with the nonsense. At this point, there are two ways around it: do the installation as intended, then create a second local only account; or sift through the heaps of outdated advice online to bypass the registration requirement.
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