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Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Well, Apple says it complied, the EU says it didn't. If the letter of the law was the whole law, this would be objective, but apparently it isn't, since they're disagreeing. As you say, there is the "reading of the text", and yes, it probably needs the CJEU.

Yeah, unfortunately when there is a dispute in how the law should be read, it goes to the courts. I will say that Apple is at a massive disadvantage even if it's possible for them to win in court because I don't know exactly how the CJEU does things, but generally here in America, there is some debate in judicial philosophies between whether you follow the text, the text and nothing but the text of the law, if you fo…

Yeah, I don't see how this won't be a "well, if the law isn't 100% clear on what we want you to do, we'll rewrite it until it is" thing...

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Productivity is not a goal in itself. It is a means to a healthy and happy populace. Europe doesn’t have record breaking GDP but features many of the happiest people in the world. Different values result in different measures of success, I guess

Productivity is ultimately the measure of the efficiency of human labor. The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy. In the short term, lagging productivity can be masked by debt spending and other measures, but in the long run, the only thing that increases human wealth and material abundance is labor productivity. Everything else is…

> The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy

Right, there are so many countries in the world where increased productivity led to 4-day work week. In fact, I could count these countries on the fingers of one hand.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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>Take a look at Apple's Private Cloud Compute white paper [1] and explain how Apple's supposed to make it DMA-compliant without sacrificing its security and privacy guarantees. Why should I figure it out for them? That's why they have so many highly skilled well paid engineers on their payroll, to solve stuff like this. It's not my job to solve their cloud architecture design issues. Why don't they use some of that 2…

> Until I get an unbiased opinion form a independent third party A core feature of Apple’s Private Cloud Compute platform is the ability for 3rd parties to validate the integrity of the platform.

What would help if it were open source than we can say fi it's true or if it's BS, but until then it's just trust me bro.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Yeah, unfortunately when there is a dispute in how the law should be read, it goes to the courts. I will say that Apple is at a massive disadvantage even if it's possible for them to win in court because I don't know exactly how the CJEU does things, but generally here in America, there is some debate in judicial philosophies between whether you follow the text, the text and nothing but the text of the law, if you fo…

Yeah, I don't see how this won't be a "well, if the law isn't 100% clear on what we want you to do, we'll rewrite it until it is" thing...

The EU is undergoing something of a regime change right now so it is possible this won’t just be one bad decade for Apple (and Google, Facebook, ByteDance, etc.), but odds are low.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Over the years, overregulation will continue to lock the EU out of bleeding-edge technologies. Every feature, every website, every innovation that doesn’t launch in the EU further plunges the bloc into technological irrelevance.

To each their own I guess. Every human-centric development in tech over the past decade which puts people before the interests of corporations seems to have been pushed by the EU. I applaud it all. And it’s making the whole world a more private, less exploited place

Except the only ones building products and services actually used every day by humans are corporations - not “the EU”. Hardware, software, stuff I use for fun, work and live, comes from corporations of all sizes - not politicians.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Over the years, overregulation will continue to lock the EU out of bleeding-edge technologies. Every feature, every website, every innovation that doesn’t launch in the EU further plunges the bloc into technological irrelevance.

Would you mind sharing which advanced technologies am I missing out on living in the EU compared to the US? I haven't noticed any personally.

Self driving cars, for one.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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> “We are concerned that the interoperability requirements of the DMA could force us to compromise the integrity of our products in ways that risk user privacy and data security,” Apple said in a statement. Apart from the “security concerns” of allowing use of non Apple services it will be interesting to hear the specifics of these. I thought most AI features were being released in American English before other local…

> Apart from the “security concerns” of allowing use of non Apple services I would think that if the EU requires Apple to allow third parties to use the new screen sharing APIs with the same privileges, that would be a security concern.

Nah, their screen mirroring with Airplay is already open. They had remote desktop with the VNC protocol forever and that even isn't encrypted.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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You're conflating productivity and wealth, and wealth and happiness. These are, you'll forgive me for saying - very American fallacies. The productivity of a country says little to nothing about it's levels of relative and absolute poverty, social inequality, and capacity for social reproduction. Compare say Berlin - an historically 'depressed' city with a smaller economy than most German cities, with any first tier…

It’s real easy to say this right now, because the EU has only lagged its peers in productivity for only the last decade —- thus the compounding effects of lagging productivity are not yet evident. However several more decades of lagging productivity will eventually result in European living standards being several decades behind their peers. If the EU thinks that low labor productivity is the path to happiness, going…

Genuinely, look at the US in the same time period. The quality of life for most people across a a range of measures is enormously worse. Hours worked, health outcomes, housing security etc. Productivity - like GDP, is enormously more relevant to capitalist investment classes than normal people. A teacher, working in a US city any time between say 1900 and 1980 could save and buy a house, get married, have children - likely on a single salary. Towards the latter half of that period, they could also afford a car, pay for their children's university education, take annual holidays etc. Is that true today? Is it true in most cities of a nurse, a factory worker, a service economy worker? You're confusing the metric with the outcome. The metric is designed to measure only what is relevant to the most wealth, privileged people in society.
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