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Notes on Tajikistan

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Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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Post by Log_out_ »

And there it is again that cultural inability to build institutions beyond "family". How is that culture compatibel with complex states and compamies in east and west? With longterm development in general? Then again it has thriving families, compared to the west and east, whos societies dissolve once the rewards of modernity appear. The ideal would be a cycling hybrid i guess.

Inb4 those weirdos who go all in on nurture, but then refuse to discuss nurture, leaving the terrain to conspiracies and racists.

Also the hospitality is pretty legendary.

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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Post by adhamsalama »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #111
OutOfHere wrote: post #5

Tajikistan looks to be an interesting case of Islam being kept in check without resorting to either extremism or terrorism. But this is neither free nor assured, and it probably requires constant wilful effort. In the long term, I can see it bleeding more territory to China due to the significant difference in military power and aggression. This is so long as there isn't a NATO-like structure to keep Chinese aggressi…

What a lot of Westerners don't realize is this kind of sentiment is exactly why Islamist parties and political groups are so popular in the Muslim world. If your only choice is extremely socially conservative, democratic groups like the Muslim Brotherhood (or worse) or a literal Kim Jong Un alike, then it's pretty obvious who you'd choose. This is resorting to extremism and terrorism, it's just conducted by the army…

Democratic groups like the Muslim Brotherhood?

Care to explain that one more?

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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Post by adhamsalama »

dang wrote: post #166
_ddbw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Religious flamewar will get you banned here, regardless of which religions you're for or against. Please don't post like this to HN again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Interesting. So why haven't you said the same about those other comments about Islam?

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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Post by thriftwy »

dvdkon wrote: post #120
thriftwy wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always funny to me how facts about previous allegiance are withheld with impunity, apparently in hopes to confuse a distracted reader. I can forgive people for forgetting to mention that Baltic states were part of Russia for centuries before they were re-annexed by the USSR in 1945. Indeed I can see how people had 20 years of independence and weren't fans of being included into a socialist utopia. But, just yest…

Certainly many parts of the world aren't too big on democracy and self-determination, but from my point of view any military operation not sanctioned by the target region's people or government counts as an invasion. Maybe that's not how all the people involved saw it, but we see, judge, and name events through the lens of our own values.

> any military operation not sanctioned by the target region's people or government counts as an invasion

It does not give one an excuse to skip the whole history of the region and start it where it fits them. I wonder if their values include skipping uncomfortable trivia or highlighting it when appropriate.

With regards to values, the legitimacy of a 3 years old government is in deep doubt. The values you've mentioned repeatedly lead to political backing of seriously unpopular regimes just because they fit the narrative that was never true in the first place.

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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Post by andy24 »

lykahb wrote: post #171
justsomehnguy wrote: post #27

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> ones that didn't manage to leave after the collapse of the Soviet Union > openly racist towards ethnic Tajiks Makes me wonder, maybe something happened between ethnic Tajiks and ethnic Russians between Soviet Union collapse and the present.

Most Russians hold racist views. It doesn't change if they are expats. As a result of the colonial conquests, Russia is a multiethnic state. But the minorities have never been fully accepted. The govt balances between suppressing the far right and managing it for its own purposes. This wiki article has plenty of references, with many pointing to the racist actions by the senior officials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki…

This blanked statement is false. I’m speechless somebody can make claims like this tbh.

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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Post by theanonymousone »

Not so new fact that many here may already know: The (in?)famous -stan suffix, coming originally from Persian, is an etymological cousin of State, Street, Statistics, Strategy and Stadt.

In Iran, provinces are called Ostan and some Ostans' names end with -stan (e.g. Ostan of Kurdistan).

By the way, since it's not clear from their names, it may be worth noting that Tajiki and Persian are two dialects of the same language.

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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Post by ffgjgf1 »

DEADMINCE wrote: post #178
blast wrote: post #167

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He absolutely was punching down. He used his high status to mock a low-status (in the West) ethnicity, and shamelessly used selective editing to make everyone other than himself look like a bigot and an asshole. When rightly criticized for this, he acted like he was the victim. It was an awful display which has not aged well and will look even worse over time.

I'd say that's a minority opinion, not especially supported by facts.

Regardless, his movies/tv shows always involved massive amounts of editing and manipulation.

Like the time they portrayed some random (Christian) Palestinian as a leader of a Islamist terrorist brigade which supposedly had a huge negative impact on his life.

Just this incident alone shows that Sacha Baron Cohen is a horrible and a despicable person.

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