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Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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How does this allow for it to be sneakily applied, as you suggest ?

Many unpopular laws are passed during major sports events, soccer world cup, olympucs and/or during summer holidays season.

Can you start with a single example?

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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post #158

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VPN is straightforward to solve. For example Apple devices already have "Device Attestation": https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/deployment/dep28afbde6... To do TOR you would need to look at the IP protocol and signing at the packet level. Definitely more difficult.

Device attestation is a way for a server to attest that a requester is e.g. an iPhone. Sure, it can be expanded to cover if the requester is, say, John Smith. But the server has to demand it. Decentralized platforms tout not doing this stuff as a feature. You'd have to roll out the attestation system and require everyone running a web server to set up this attestation infrastructure; that is, the small guy running a…

The attestation would be done by your ISP or the next level along. The ISP/backbone could pass this information along to Web servers.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Similar was transition from covid to war in Ukraine. Suddenly, covid disappeared from media.

So, who orchestrated a country's army with its hundred thousand men, tanks, bombs, against another country's, plus its civilians, and then even more civilians needing to run away... as a distraction? From what? Man, how did this "conspiracy theory" mental illness become so commonplace?

Playing devil's advocate (I don't agree with the conspiracy one bit). They might be saying that the war happened, and then "the media" used that to stop talking about covid.

Honestly, I would say that's just the media jumping on the next thing. Everybody was sick of hearing about covid for 2 years. The war was also a lot more threatening by then (at least in Europe).

As for Covid's evolution, like all pandemics before it (plague, spanish flu, swine flu, ...) disease evolution and human immunity reduces its danger and importance.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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post #127

Can someone explain to me why, over time, democratic states tend to drift into mass surveillance ? Is it beacuse a lot of people feel unsafe or is it because the people supposed to ensure our security see it as the "easiest" or most effective way to do their job? Is there so much benefit to having a fuctioning mass surveilance apparatus, and if yes, who benefits of it if not the people for whom these rules for in the…

The issue is the rise of mass surveillance tech, which makes it too easy. Also, tech creates new threats (including terror plots, protecting children etc) which drive demand for the surveillance.

> Also, tech creates new threats

Tech doesn't create terrorism or child abuse.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#185

I find it somewhat disturbing that this sort of thing is not considered a career killer for politicians.

In Greece, we recently elected as representatives for the EU Parliament: * a 71 year old lady, with no social media and no public speeches ever. * a guy who used a nickname for his last name, that matched with a military general (who is well known), and many people thought he was the general * a "journalist" that was caught twice talking on live TV, conversing with a pre-recorded video * a convicted criminal It's imp…

Truly frightening that these are the people who'll be contributing to the decisions made on the future of the internet for the entire rest of the world.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#186

I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused. If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof i…

These laws only hurt abiding citizens.

Same as with DRMs and those annoying "piracy is a crime" banner we got for minutes before watching a DVD. Nobody pirating content has ever seen those.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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I don't support this legislation but I also do not live in the EU. Honest question, why do we (US, EU, wherever) not have more harsh punishment for child SA? Why not castrate the offender after two strikes or even one? I am sure there are other biological reasons for this to happen but I got the impression a lot of abusers were abused as children.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#188

I don't support this legislation but I also do not live in the EU. Honest question, why do we (US, EU, wherever) not have more harsh punishment for child SA? Why not castrate the offender after two strikes or even one? I am sure there are other biological reasons for this to happen but I got the impression a lot of abusers were abused as children.

Similar reason why there's no death penalty. If you get the wrong person and you lock them up you can release them with compensation, it won't fix it but its better. You can't un-castrate someone the same way you can't revive them after an execution.

Courts convict innocent people all the time, hence no irreversible punishments.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#189

This is the sort of stuff that made Brexit appealing to me. Remainers make out that we (UK) are xenophobic in some way, because we left the EU. No - we don't hate European people, they're great - we just hate the unelected, undemocratic, wannabe-communist institutions.

You keep saying “we”, as if yours is the prevailing UK opinion. Not only was Brexit a close vote, people who voted to leave have largely been regretting it.

https://www.economist.com/britain/2024/04/11/why-most-people...

In the aftermath of Brexit I remember reading time and again of people who voted to leave and by doing so screwed up their own business (e.g. florists whose flowers come from abroad). They expressed nothing but regret.

So no, the UK didn’t vote leave because they “hate the unelected, undemocratic, wannabe-communist institutions”, they voted leave because they didn’t understand the big picture and were tricked by unscrupulous politicians making false claims (probably the most famous being that a lot more money would go into the national heath service).

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#190

I don't support this legislation but I also do not live in the EU. Honest question, why do we (US, EU, wherever) not have more harsh punishment for child SA? Why not castrate the offender after two strikes or even one? I am sure there are other biological reasons for this to happen but I got the impression a lot of abusers were abused as children.

Because the age of consent is 14 in Germany.
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