Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by talldayo » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:02 PM UTC

shironononon wrote: post #163

mfiguiere wrote: post #84

> Privacy protections are built in for users who access ChatGPT — their IP addresses are obscured, and OpenAI won’t store requests. ChatGPT’s data-use policies apply for users who choose to connect their account. > ChatGPT will come to iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia later this year, powered by GPT-4o.

"let's store responses and a hash of the request intent in a kvp then"

Please, an encrypted key-value store. The private key is only shared between you, Apple, and relevant law-enforcement agencies. It's as private as you can ask for, these days!

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by ayakang31415 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:02 PM UTC

There was one part that I didn't understand about AI compute: For certain tasks, server side compute will be done as on-device chip is not powerful enough I suppose. How does this ensure privacy in verifiable manner? How do you CONFIRM that your data is not shared when cloud computing is involved with AI tasks?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by nehal3m » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:02 PM UTC

the_arun wrote: post #152

Wouldn't this reduce sales for Grammerly? If Apple packs the same feature for every application in iOS, it is kinda cool. Private Cloud - Isn't this what Amazon did with their tablet - Fire? What is the difference with Apple Private Cloud?

> Wouldn't this reduce sales for Grammerly?

There's a term for that, it's called being Sherlocked: https://www.howtogeek.com/297651/what-does-it-mean-when-a-co...

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Geee » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

theshrike79 wrote: post #21

jcfrei wrote: post #5

So, is Apple running a proprietary LLM or are they licensing one from OpenAI, Google, etc?

Both. Siri is on device and it can talk to ChatGPT

Siri runs on device and on Apple's cloud which should be more private than ChatGPT. ChatGPT integration is a separate feature, and will include other providers in the future too.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by paradite » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

alberth wrote: post #124

Regarding OpenAI, has Apple in its history ever relied so heavily on a 3rd party for software features? (TSMC for hardware, but it seems very un-Apple to be so dependent upon someone else for software capabilities like OpenAI)

Does Microsoft Office in early days of Mac OS count? I guess not.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by gfosco » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

alberth wrote: post #124

Regarding OpenAI, has Apple in its history ever relied so heavily on a 3rd party for software features? (TSMC for hardware, but it seems very un-Apple to be so dependent upon someone else for software capabilities like OpenAI)

The OpenAI reference came at the end, and it appears it's mostly a fallback... an option, that users must explicitly allow every time. Hardly a dependency. Most of the time, it will be on-device or apple-hosted in "private compute cloud", not connected to OpenAI at all.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dylan604 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

fsto wrote: post #146

rqtwteye wrote: post #115

It’s a little disappointing that even big companies like Apple jump on OpenAI instead of building their own thing. Diversity seems pretty important with AI.

They use OpenAI as an optional fallback model. Adding support for more models later. I’m positively surprised they’re not trying to solve everything with their own tech.

Or, use existing now to get it going, then swap out for your own thing later. Hopefully, it will be better than previous swaps so that it doesn't be a meme worthy of being mocked in a comedy show "is it Apple Maps bad?"

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

minimaxir wrote: post #79

The name and attempted reappropriation of the term "AI" is going to make SEO a pain in the ass.

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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by gherkinnn » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

the_arun wrote: post #152

Wouldn't this reduce sales for Grammerly? If Apple packs the same feature for every application in iOS, it is kinda cool. Private Cloud - Isn't this what Amazon did with their tablet - Fire? What is the difference with Apple Private Cloud?

After years and years of annoying ads, Grammarly taking a hit is the least they deserve

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by talldayo » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

Turing_Machine wrote: post #177

spacebanana7 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the promise were made in good faith, I fear it may be hard to resist pressure from law enforcement etc.

If Apple is sitting in the middle proxying the IP addresses, and not keeping any logs for longer than they absolutely need to, law enforcement could go pee up a rope, right?

You'd hope so, but corporate resistance against domestic intelligence has a bumpy track record: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...