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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by denimnerd42 »

jrexilius wrote: post #60
denimnerd42 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The offline device with a plugin usb keyboard that "types" in your username and password is exactly what i've wanted forever. There are some devices people have made and posted online. I made a POC with an old android phone once but never got past that stage. I investigated the bluetooth encryption and it didn't really seem up to the task. You could create a dongle that lived on wifi though that would do the same.

I'm getting ready to release ours as open source (hardware and software) soon: https://www.anomie.tech/products/anigma/ce/

oh wow. i can't wait to see more!

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dylan604 wrote: post #173
short_sells_poo wrote: post #159

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Yeah. I want to pay the people who look after the thing that stores my most precious information. I want them to be overpaid and look after their golden goose. It seems nuts to me that you expect someone to provide you a service for free?

I never said free. Did I? Just because someone is revolting against rent seeking companies vs building a solid product and increasing users this forum likes to denigrate them into being freeloaders. You've got the wrong idea and are running with it in the wrong direction.

> vs building a solid product and increasing users this forum likes to denigrate them into being freeloaders

The point is maintenance is an ongoing expense. Pretending it can be baked into a one-off purchase price is nuts, unless one is willing to buy that software caveat emptor, as in if it has a critical bug, sorry, you need to upgrade to have safe software.

For a game, that seems fine. For a password manager, obviously not. That said, enough people don’t like this to give Apple an advantage in amortising payments that users cannot.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by anonexpat »

drcongo wrote: post #142
ipqk wrote: post #127

I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

I'm only still on it because of team use, but if Apple's thing supports teams I'm gonna be so happy to get rid of it. I've been using it for nearly 20 years and it's been going down hill fast for the last 5, but 1Password 8 is an absolute clown car. It hijacks your passkey logins meaning that authenticating with Tailscale for me has gone from a single touch of the TouchID button on my Mac, to 1) click button that say…

Evernote.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by dylan604 »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #174
dylan604 wrote: post #150

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I have been fighting switching to the SaaS version. Paying a monthly fee for access to my passwords is highway robbery. I do not want/need any of these other "services" they forced upon me. I have trying Apples keychain, but that migration is slow and a total pain in the ass. And it's not even a good replacement. I'm sure 1Password doesn't care one iota about loosing individual users with attitudes like this. Until t…

1Password has the most reasonable pricing out of just about any SaaS company. $1/user/month if you're on a family plan. $3/month for individuals. And they provide a great service. Strongly disagree that they're part of the group of SaaS companies trying to price gouge their users.

Cloud only, and they removed local storage of the vaults. If I'm somewhere that doesn't have internet connectivity, what happens then?

Dislike of SaaS isn't limited to monthly fees, but the lack of features they removed to encourage SaaS adoption

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by dylan604 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #182
dylan604 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said free. Did I? Just because someone is revolting against rent seeking companies vs building a solid product and increasing users this forum likes to denigrate them into being freeloaders. You've got the wrong idea and are running with it in the wrong direction.

> vs building a solid product and increasing users this forum likes to denigrate them into being freeloaders The point is maintenance is an ongoing expense. Pretending it can be baked into a one-off purchase price is nuts, unless one is willing to buy that software caveat emptor , as in if it has a critical bug, sorry, you need to upgrade to have safe software. For a game, that seems fine. For a password manager, obv…

Again with this made up concept that I wanted a pay once notion. I kept upgrading with their releases until they went SaaS and removed the ability to store the data locally. If they continued to offer local storage with paid upgrades, I'd continue paying and using. They don't, so I'm not.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by LVB »

max_ wrote: post #157
dylan604 wrote: post #152

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you really enjoy paying each month for access to your passwords? really?

One of the reasons for bad software products & corporations taking advantage of users is this free loader mindset. What exactly is wrong with paying $10 per year for a well done product?

You get 1P for $10/year?

I'm willing to pay for a lot of software, but the costs are certainly real (especially in aggregate), and I try to be mindful of whether it is worth it to me. I would definitely pay $10/year for a password manager. I currently pay $36/year. Would I pay $100? No. But I'm not sure where the cutoff is.

And then I have to do this for every pricier piece of software. (For all of the lower-cost, one-time payments, little apps, etc. I just pay and move on.)

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by Someone »

cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

> Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms.

I don’t see why that would be a big problem for Apple.

As this article explains, this isn’t new functionality. It’s (mostly) a new UI for existing functionality, to make the hardware they sell and make lots of money on more attractive.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by superb_dev »

cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

Apple Music has a decent web player, so it's technically supported on Linux

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by sngz »

jftuga wrote: post #148

I've been using KeePassXC on Mac and Windows and sync them between each other with Unison[1]. I'd be curious to learn how others who are using KeePassXC are syncing there databases with iPhone. [1] https://gist.github.com/jftuga/0265e5403d56373662b9513d8816e...

Proton drive and keepassx, keepass2android and keepass

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Post by fckgw »

cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

Apple already has an iCloud app for Windows and has had an iCloud Password Chrome extension for years. There is no support for Android.
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