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Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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Nobody risks stealing individual bricks from people's front yards. The risk exceeds the reward. The end goal here is to make the phone so useless that nobody even tries to steal it.

No, this is a side effect of Apple striving to design the world's most unrepairable devices, or more accurately, earn more money with overpriced repairs by creating an artifical monopoly on Apple device repairs using part pairing. Why else would there be no option to pair parts for repairs if you can prove that you are the owner of the device?

I know this is a hot take but hear me out.

I think it makes sense these days for Apple to make phones without much care for repairability. Labor is too expensive to bother with spending hours on repairing a phone. Cheaper to produce new one.

The problem with that is the environmental impact of disposable electronics, but Apple is leading the way and using recycled materials, avoiding plastic, becoming carbon neutral etc.

I think this is the direction the industry is generally going to move towards. It makes sense and stops being a problem when the entire product is recyclable and/or uses recycled material in the first place. They’ve been touting their advancements pretty loudly, but I don’t think it’s getting picked up by journalists.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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This happened to my sister. She got her phone stolen at a bar in Austin. They’ve tried to phish her multiple times and now it’s gotten to intimidation texts where they are threatening physical and sexual violence to her unless she unlocks the phone. She put it in lost mode right away and due to my assurance she knows she is safe but honestly it does make you kind of just want to unlock and get the nightmare over with…

> She has tracked the iPhone via find my through a few us cities and finally it’s in China.

I wonder… if people whose phones get stolen start tracking the locations they see it travel to using Find My, and a site were available to report these to, could enough evidence be collected to motivate a police/FBI visit to the location of fences in the US who are shipping these to China?

(Could one prevent such a tool from being used maliciously to swat someone?—I suppose in the end a specific victim would have to go to the police in person, limiting that risk? I’m imagining the address-collecting site might respond “yes I’ve seen more than (say) 20 phones reported at that location, you may want to work with local police if you can”.)

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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> I checked Find My and my phone was indeed in China. It looked like it was in an office building conveniently located around the corner from an Adidas store, about 8,000 miles from me. You’d think for a police state, China would be just little bit better at cracking down on obvious crime that happens within their borders. But I guess not.

The law in China is: if it affects social order, then feel the state's wrath. Anything else is a free for all.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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This happened to my sister. She got her phone stolen at a bar in Austin. They’ve tried to phish her multiple times and now it’s gotten to intimidation texts where they are threatening physical and sexual violence to her unless she unlocks the phone. She put it in lost mode right away and due to my assurance she knows she is safe but honestly it does make you kind of just want to unlock and get the nightmare over with…

It's why I have the "general rule" of: Don't reply to any text from anyone that I don't know. And if what I'm receiving "seems off" reply with a subtle "challenge" (mention a fictional pet that passed away ... the scammer will play along, your friend will probably send you a "?" to which you can ... carefully ... explain "I wanted to make sure you weren't a Nigerian Prince posing as Alice").

I know my personality would make it very tempting to reply to a message coming from the person who stole my phone, maybe taunt them a bit, but you're kind of giving into their game when you do. I mean, best you can do is burn a little of their time, which is probably much less valuable to them than yours is to you and put up with increasingly hostile threats[0]. Contrasted with completely ignoring any text that arrives regarding the phone (immediately blocking any arriving from accounts from social media) they're left assuming -- for whatever reason -- you're not even getting the threatening texts.

And, of course, if the scammer were planning on following through with the threats it'd be a very labor intensive, high-risk, low-reward operation -- not the "make a quick buck" that stealing and reselling a high value piece of electronics is supposed to be. There are too many legitimate ways to make more money that involve less work and less risk to pick "crime" as the choice. And while that means it's unlikely the scammer will follow through with the threat, that assumes the scammer is intelligent enough to understand how stupid it would be to expose himself to make a few hundred dollars and tends to vary depending on the amount of illicit substances the scammer is trying to manage the withdrawal symptoms of at that moment. It also assumes that the scammer isn't the actual thief, and the thief isn't some gang thug who'd be more than happy to follow through with the threat simply because "your mean words hurt their feelings"[1].

I figure, ignoring them is the quickest/easiest path to applying at least a tiny bit of pain.

They're gambling; you and every other one of their victims is "the iPhone game". It starts with a box of bricked iPhones. Find the owner, send them a combination of words gleaned from a forum that other scammers have had success with and text your target. You win when you crack the right combination of words that causes a bricked iPhone to become almost instantly convertible into anywhere from a few to several hundred dollars. I'd imagine most slot machines would hit less frequently and pay out less when they do. Enough bricked phones have to become "a few hundred dollars" to feed the player's gambling addiction[2] so you're providing the lever "pull" of the slot machine -- free entertainment for them. By ignoring them, you're taking away that tiny high that comes when they experience "Hope" -- the "hope" that your "pull" will pay out.

Take that away ... block 'em ... but maybe peek into "Spam" every once in a while if you want a little ego satisfaction.

Maybe they sent you a few hundred messages of the "Apple Pay" variety. Now close your eyes and imagine your lone scammer with a box of locked iPhones (it's your fantasy, make him a lonely middle-aged white guy living in Mom's basement who hasn't showered in 2024), checking each bricked phone "to see if you've won", then the messaging app to see if anyone is going to give you a chance to play further ... only to find your fourteenth "Apple Pay" message disappear into the dead Ether ("And they sent the last one from RUSSIA, how could they ignore RUSSIA!?"). If they are the kind with a glass ego, nothing will make you feel less adequate than copying/pasting fourteen unanswered messages as imagine the answer you're not going to get to number fifteen.

Short of maybe social engineering them to click a link to malware[3] and maybe turning the tables a little, I can't think of anything more effective.

[0] And the stones on the thief -- or did your sister leave it unattended? I have spent no time in Austin, specifically, but a lot of time in Texas. Some places it seems everyone is carrying, right out in the open, carefully concealed (if you know where to look) ... whatever. At least a few of my buddies carry hoping for a reason to use it. I suspect in the parts of Texas I'm familiar with, if this happens at all, Find My yields it quickly recovered without police involvement, and maybe the thief's trailer/truck got a little fscked up during "pick-up".

[1] They'll talk about being disrespected but at the end of the day, the problem comes down to an adult who would still fail the most basic parts of Kindergarten (don't misread that statement as implying anything about my feelings regarding the cause/reason/fault of such things; let's just walk away from that one for this footnote).

[2] I couldn't find the study but over a decade ago I recall reading a that people with "clinically diagnosed kleptomania" (naively: "stealing for fun, regardless of need") had extremely strong tendencies to be gambling addicts, but that gambling addiction couldn't be correlated with a higher frequency of kleptomania (gambling addicts do skew higher for theft, but are often thieves out of perceived necessity, limiting to kleptomaniacs was intended to identify the similarities between the underlying psychological disorders).

[3] This is a little tricky and comes with the "you're probably breaking the law, now, too" problem ... tricky because the scammer is probably using a texting app/web service. As a result, there's a larger number of OSes involved -- it would be less unusual for your sender to be texting you via a browser in Windows than you'd probably experience, otherwise, so if you, say, somehow convince them they need to "click that link" in order for your phone to complete unlocking, you're going to also have to work out a way to get them to reveal what OS they're sending from.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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Often stances of the governments across the world are: we’ll ignore it unless it becomes a problem for us. Often, in organized crime, money flows back to the government and creates job opportunities for people that keeps them happy. There is a reason. Why there’s so many scam call centers in India. The government will turn a blind eye until someone comes in with proof that raises a stink or if other international gov…

> There is a reason. Why there’s so many scam call centers in India. According to a commenter on HN from a few months ago [1], the reason is a political division - the scam callcenters are in West Bengal, where the ruling political party turns a blind eye due to corruption and to provide annoyance towards the federal government ruled by the BJP. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38968542

Corruption is definitely part of it, but I wouldn’t blame it purely on politics. Kolkata in West Bengal definitely has scam call centers but that’s only one of the cities. Gurugram near New Delhi [2], Hyderabad [1], Bangalore [3] and Pune all have scam call centers and all of them fall under the governance of different regional and national political parties.

[1] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/fake-call...

[2] https://www.thestatesman.com/cities/delhi/two-illegal-bpos-b...

[3] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/call-cent...

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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No, this is a side effect of Apple striving to design the world's most unrepairable devices, or more accurately, earn more money with overpriced repairs by creating an artifical monopoly on Apple device repairs using part pairing. Why else would there be no option to pair parts for repairs if you can prove that you are the owner of the device?

I know this is a hot take but hear me out. I think it makes sense these days for Apple to make phones without much care for repairability. Labor is too expensive to bother with spending hours on repairing a phone. Cheaper to produce new one. The problem with that is the environmental impact of disposable electronics, but Apple is leading the way and using recycled materials, avoiding plastic, becoming carbon neutral…

This is a very succinct description of what Apple is trying to achieve. Imagine inside your laptop there are two boxes: the compute and the battery. You can get any of those swapped by Apple. Apple then takes care of the 2 remaining Rs on its own with the box you swapped.

That's what Apple wants.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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So as I understand it, all of the "parts" are mostly worthless because they wont just work in another iPhone. How do you maintain this functionality and give the "right to repair"? I would assume that it's possible but would add a fair bit of cost to devices (not that someone like apple cant bear said costs)... But IM just guessing on that front as I have zero experience with hardware locking.

Most parts will indeed work. It will just show "unkown part" in the settings. The main thing that is really paired is the front camera for faceID. Also changing the screen without the original paired chip makes you lose autobrightness and truetone which is need to get to MAX brightness on 14 and up.

Sounds like people are swapping a screen on those iPhones without doing a calibration.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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This seems like a lot of work for one (or two, once it got to China) people repeatedly trying to get into the phone. I wonder if this is like debt collection agencies where the stolen phones get repeatedly fenced at a steadily decreasing value, and each new owner has a go at sending out these unlock copypastes until it's clear that it's only value is in being scrapped.

Doesn't seem too much, some people write hundreds of comments/tweets per day with no expectation of pay.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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These days, it's not worth it to steal an iPhone. It's a useless brick. That Apple knows where it's at.

> It's a useless brick Unless the owner falls for one of these texts, right? Isn't that the entire point of the linked article?

Yes exactly; they must have a non-zero success rate. Few years back my friend's iPhone got stolen, and it was more or less the same kind of stuff.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is a side effect of Apple striving to design the world's most unrepairable devices, or more accurately, earn more money with overpriced repairs by creating an artifical monopoly on Apple device repairs using part pairing. Why else would there be no option to pair parts for repairs if you can prove that you are the owner of the device?

I know this is a hot take but hear me out. I think it makes sense these days for Apple to make phones without much care for repairability. Labor is too expensive to bother with spending hours on repairing a phone. Cheaper to produce new one. The problem with that is the environmental impact of disposable electronics, but Apple is leading the way and using recycled materials, avoiding plastic, becoming carbon neutral…

I learned recently that Apple shreds old devices instead of selling them to keep the price of old-iPhones artificially inflated by limiting supply.

https://www.ifixit.com/News/94386/the-truth-about-apples-fre...

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