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Re: De-googling, so far

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Post by belter »

extr wrote: post #123
noman-land wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple. Google is in the business of collecting and monetizing my data and removing my privacy. I want them to have as little access to my life as possible.

Day to day what does "monetizing my data and removing my privacy" actually mean to you? Are advertisers following you around town? Bothering you at work? Hounding you in the loo? Personally it seems like my data has been stolen from just about every company I've ever given it to EXCEPT for Google.

> Day to day what does "monetizing my data and removing my privacy" actually mean to you?

It means you can a permanent, and non erasable, record of being arrested, even if you just happen to be near the same location a crime was committed:

"Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police" - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/13/us/google-loc...

Disclaimer: I am all for an effective and just law enforcement...

> Are advertisers following you around town?

Yes the are: "Jeffrey Epstein’s Island Visitors Exposed by Data Broker" - https://www.wired.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-island-visitors-...

Disclaimer: Never visited Epstein’s Island...

Re: De-googling, so far

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Post by pbronez »

abenga wrote: post #177
joshuaturner wrote: post #40

I can appreciate the hesitancy because you need an account, but Kagi is such a great search engine. Their incentives align much better with their actual users and because of that they support tons of customization/filtering options Google just can't (read: won't).

I tried Kagi once and never really felt like it was good enough to make me want to pay for it. Search is like air. Very important, but available everywhere for free. Pretty hard for me to justify adding another subscription to the already extant mountain.

Continuing that metaphor…

Google is the air of a teeming metropolis in a developing country. Every breath is polluted with foreign substances that someone else out there. Your capacity suffers as each action is taxed by the aerosolized tar.

searX is mountain air. Pure, but cold and so so thin. You struggle to collect enough oxygen, waiting for the life-giving molecules to trickle in. A bracing adventure for most, a home for the hardy, adapted few.

DuckDuckGo is the air of a rich suburb. The pollution is manageable and pressure sufficient. You breathe freely, undistracted, content in the assumption that your essential need is satisfied. It is sufficient, comfortable, unremarkable, there.

Kagi is a seaside breeze, wafting the richness of a vibrant and alien ecosystem through your awareness. You may sense the oily tang of a nearby dockyard; it’s but one note in the harmony, fading behind the marine life, the ocean salts, the sizzling morsels of upshore boardwalk. You breathe deeply. Your awareness stretches, stitching scent to sound; your focus dances across the possibilities, musing which possibility to explore today. A corner of your mind resents the cost of your rented villa; another fantasizes about buying it, about making this place your home. Could I afford it…?

Re: De-googling, so far

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Post by jemmyw »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #151
jemmyw wrote: post #131

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How should they split the money then? By time seems the fairest way. How else should they judge the quality? That music video you mentioned is likely to get more views so more money overall. But if the gamer stream is getting more views and watch time why shouldn't it get more money?

Likes and dislikes, like I said. It's literally a feature where the users judge the quality of the video.

That doesn't seem fair. If you produced something and everyone watched it and disliked it... well a) why did they watch it then and b) they won't watch your next thing... Or they will because they disapprove but cannot help themselves. Either way, your content drove the traffic regardless.

Re: De-googling, so far

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Post by Kye »

pbronez wrote: post #182
abenga wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried Kagi once and never really felt like it was good enough to make me want to pay for it. Search is like air. Very important, but available everywhere for free. Pretty hard for me to justify adding another subscription to the already extant mountain.

Continuing that metaphor… Google is the air of a teeming metropolis in a developing country. Every breath is polluted with foreign substances that someone else out there. Your capacity suffers as each action is taxed by the aerosolized tar. searX is mountain air. Pure, but cold and so so thin. You struggle to collect enough oxygen, waiting for the life-giving molecules to trickle in. A bracing adventure for most, a h…

Where's the town that's always trying to reinvent itself, with the layers of failure and renewal visible in the back alleys and unfinished remodels left behind in the last economic crisis? I want that search engine.

Re: De-googling, so far

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Post by kkfx »

For me the point is not privacy, simply this war is lost.

The point for me is data availability, I do want to own my data. So for emails and service I do own my domain name, so I can change third parties services, if I use any (email) in a transparent manner for my correspondent. I own the domain, I own the mail address, my website URL etc, I have a "home address" on the net.

Similarly I do use third party email services, simply because hosting one myself meaning ending up too often in GMail and co spam, BUT, I own my mails because I do not keep them on third party IMAPs but on my homeserver, the mail provider is just a relay of my "incomplete" mail infra.

For contact I've used Radicale, now testing https://github.com/tchapi/davis

For files I have a desktop centric setup, the homeserver run a paperless-ngx instance with "a certain set of docs" meaning I do not mirror my org-mode/org-attach entire home structure to paperless but only some selected docs to have them available on the go via mobile if I need them and simple webdav dir to share some if needed. I do not want OwnCloud considering it a monster I can't really know by it's mere size so I prefer giving up with it.

I've tried Immich and Jellyfin for my photos and movies/music but they end up essentially unused.

For RSS TT-RSS is far from perfect but can handle conveniently a significant number of posts quickly skimming them also on the go.

Wireguard is nice enough to encapsulate my services

To make it short, my point is not avoid a company like Google than choosing another like Proton, my point is being able to have and work with my data if some services disappear in a snap.

Re: De-googling, so far

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Post by Dudhbbh3343 »

anonymousiam wrote: post #167
Dudhbbh3343 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to jmp.chat a few months ago and have been impressed. You can even pay anonymously with crypto and have multiple numbers using a single app and billing account.

Looks interesting. I got as far as where it asked me to pay them $15, which I'm reluctant to do without first trying out the service. How does one receive a Referral code?

Looks like I have 2 referral codes that give new users a free month, I believe without having to pay anything.

If you reply with a way to send it to you privately, you can have one.

Re: De-googling, so far

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Post by pbronez »

Kye wrote: post #184
pbronez wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Continuing that metaphor… Google is the air of a teeming metropolis in a developing country. Every breath is polluted with foreign substances that someone else out there. Your capacity suffers as each action is taxed by the aerosolized tar. searX is mountain air. Pure, but cold and so so thin. You struggle to collect enough oxygen, waiting for the life-giving molecules to trickle in. A bracing adventure for most, a h…

Where's the town that's always trying to reinvent itself, with the layers of failure and renewal visible in the back alleys and unfinished remodels left behind in the last economic crisis? I want that search engine.

Sounds like Bing!

Re: De-googling, so far

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Post by anonymousiam »

Dudhbbh3343 wrote: post #187
anonymousiam wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks interesting. I got as far as where it asked me to pay them $15, which I'm reluctant to do without first trying out the service. How does one receive a Referral code?

Looks like I have 2 referral codes that give new users a free month, I believe without having to pay anything. If you reply with a way to send it to you privately, you can have one.

Thanks! Please send one to anonymousiam@zeptodata.net.

Re: De-googling, so far

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Post by hi-v-rocknroll »

doublerabbit wrote: post #149
hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #115

Does anyone host their own email in a jurisdiction with a domain and VPS US Feds can't seize arbitrarily? If so, which webmail software do you use? Do you handle backups and/or high-availability?

I bought Zimbra Network Edition, around £2k with 25 mailboxes. Professional enough to resell accounts and works nicely on phones. It supports high availability, mx relays and takes scheduled backups to directory of choosing. I've been satisfied with support and it's a rock solid product that's finally starting to mature after many company take overs.

I'm having PTSD flashbacks since I had a startup based on it when VMWare owned it where we M&A'ed small mail hosting businesses and migrated them to our ZNE instances. Our license costs totaled maybe $15k USD for a dozen instances and we had access to VMware staff on Sand Hill.
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