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The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by dyauspitr »

sniggers wrote: post #175
dyauspitr wrote: post #169

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Their product doesn’t make any sense besides as an app. No one is going to carry a separate device around when your smartphone can do everything it can better. The chatGPT app on the iPhone already does everything the rabbit does better. They offer nothing.

The ChatGPT app requires a subscription, and offers no "Large Action Model" behavior (i.e. API tie-in to perform actions on other apps like Spotify/Doordash/Uber/Midjourney). The former is a nice bonus (10 months of ChatGPT $20 sub = one time purchase price of Rabbit R1), the latter has the potential in its fully realized form to make Rabbit infinitely more useful as an assistant.

ChatGPT has an app ecosystem that absolutely allows you to control other apps.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by 999900000999 »

sniggers wrote: post #176
marcinzm wrote: post #158

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Nothing about those features is specific to this device. OpenAI can do it in their app, or Google/Apple as a built in phone integration. In fact those companies have more data, more compute, more experience and more end users which matters a lot for AI. And most importantly, OpenAI/Google/Apple can basically get app developers to add any missing details into their apps. Rabbit can't.

>OpenAI can do it in their app, or Google/Apple as a built in phone integration Have they done so or described any upcoming plans to do so? Rabbit is doing it now. Man this site is so anti-hacker it's insane. Probably because it's 90% big tech employees that are actively hurt by startups shaking things up. Should be renamed

You're talking about a $200 closed source box which is basically a strip down phone.

Hacker is more like yo I built this myself with a raspberry pi, here's the source code to get it working. We have every right to criticize commercial products, particularly when they're not really doing anything unique.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by sniggers »

dyauspitr wrote: post #181
sniggers wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ChatGPT app requires a subscription, and offers no "Large Action Model" behavior (i.e. API tie-in to perform actions on other apps like Spotify/Doordash/Uber/Midjourney). The former is a nice bonus (10 months of ChatGPT $20 sub = one time purchase price of Rabbit R1), the latter has the potential in its fully realized form to make Rabbit infinitely more useful as an assistant.

ChatGPT has an app ecosystem that absolutely allows you to control other apps.

Are you referring to this? https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt-plugins

Rabbit's approach is one-sided (train their model to generate needed API calls, and maybe also perform Selenium-style simulated actions?) which should make it more flexible if inherently less reliable than dedicated plugins written by developers from the apps looking to be called via AI

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by sniggers »

999900000999 wrote: post #182
sniggers wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>OpenAI can do it in their app, or Google/Apple as a built in phone integration Have they done so or described any upcoming plans to do so? Rabbit is doing it now. Man this site is so anti-hacker it's insane. Probably because it's 90% big tech employees that are actively hurt by startups shaking things up. Should be renamed

You're talking about a $200 closed source box which is basically a strip down phone. Hacker is more like yo I built this myself with a raspberry pi, here's the source code to get it working. We have every right to criticize commercial products, particularly when they're not really doing anything unique.

Which is more "hacker" - Rabbit or Google?

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by threeseed »

thih9 wrote: post #83
cogman10 wrote: post #82

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They already have. Apple calls theirs "siri". The dumb part here is a company getting attention for making a virtual assistant just because they added "AI".

Siri is no longer seen as an AI assistant, at least not with the post-chatgpt meaning of the word 'AI'.

We are 6 weeks away from WWDC where Apple will be launching their new Siri.

And we already know they are building a LAM for it.

It’s likely one of the reasons Rabbit was rushed out the door.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by threeseed »

sniggers wrote: post #176
marcinzm wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing about those features is specific to this device. OpenAI can do it in their app, or Google/Apple as a built in phone integration. In fact those companies have more data, more compute, more experience and more end users which matters a lot for AI. And most importantly, OpenAI/Google/Apple can basically get app developers to add any missing details into their apps. Rabbit can't.

>OpenAI can do it in their app, or Google/Apple as a built in phone integration Have they done so or described any upcoming plans to do so? Rabbit is doing it now. Man this site is so anti-hacker it's insane. Probably because it's 90% big tech employees that are actively hurt by startups shaking things up. Should be renamed

Google I/O is 2 weeks away. WWDC is 6 weeks.

And we know both companies have plans for enhanced assistants this year.

And this isn’t a hacker device. It’s not open source or easily modifiable.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by dyauspitr »

sniggers wrote: post #183
dyauspitr wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT has an app ecosystem that absolutely allows you to control other apps.

Are you referring to this? https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt-plugins Rabbit's approach is one-sided (train their model to generate needed API calls, and maybe also perform Selenium-style simulated actions?) which should make it more flexible if inherently less reliable than dedicated plugins written by developers from the apps looking to be called via AI

Having to rely on one company to train their API calls makes it less flexible and less reliable except maybe for the largest apps. Even if they did it better than chatGPT (and I don’t think they can), that would be the thinnest of moats.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by tredre3 »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #180
wmf wrote: post #155

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Are these privileged system-level permissions in the room with us now? What specifically are they?

why are you so incredulous that android might have some annoying privacy restrictions that a custom AOSP can sidestep? I would google rabbit's reasoning for this but I don't care enough

> why are you so incredulous that android might have some annoying privacy restrictions that a custom AOSP can sidestep?

I don't doubt that such restrictions exist. But I'm also curious as to what, specifically, they would be? Apps can access all sensors, cameras, microphone, network. So what's left?

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by tredre3 »

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #160

It sounds like this product isn't where it should be, and likely shipped too early. That said long term I want them or others to succeed. The last thing I want (and most others should want) is a world where only Apple and Google are the only ones hosting mobile AI products. As any phone OS integrated Apple AI or Google AI will beat out any shipped apps store AI app long term. If a new hardware form factor is the way…

> The last thing I want (and most others should want) is a world where only Apple and Google are the only ones hosting mobile AI products.

I think the thing people should want is on-device AI.

Because I honestly don't see the advantage in terms of privacy or performance to have Rabbit R1 proxy my requests to chatgpt or other cloud LLMs... At that point I might as well use Google AI or Apple AI instead of adding 2+ parties to my private AI use.

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