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Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem

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Post by racional »

invalidname wrote: post #176
racional wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are four lecturers talking about being barred That's not what the article says. Of the 4 academics, 1 of them (Hoftman) spoke of being assaulted after approaching the protests (just as protesters have been assaulted by folks from the pro-Israel side). Not of being "barred from entry" into the campus per your description: But also look at Israelis who want to enter the universities and can't. So far you are unabl…

It's pretty interesting that you choose to ignore all the other supporting evidence of aggression I provided and focus only on a narrow claim. I have confirmation bias since I obviously have a side. A side that doesn't want his children stuck in a redundant war loop like we have been. Furthermore, you choose to accept unsubstantiated claims against Davidai as fact because it supports your confirmation bias. You want…

The point is, you seem to be in the habit of making stuff up. In regard to specific events you allege to have happened.

And when someone challenges you to provide some kind substantiation for what you're saying, you change the subject.

Own it.

Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem

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Post by invalidname »

racional wrote: post #181
invalidname wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty interesting that you choose to ignore all the other supporting evidence of aggression I provided and focus only on a narrow claim. I have confirmation bias since I obviously have a side. A side that doesn't want his children stuck in a redundant war loop like we have been. Furthermore, you choose to accept unsubstantiated claims against Davidai as fact because it supports your confirmation bias. You want…

The point is, you seem to be in the habit of making stuff up. In regard to specific events you allege to have happened. And when someone challenges you to provide some kind substantiation for what you're saying, you change the subject. Own it.

I provided multiple links confirming everything I said in the thread here and other threads. I provided a link to the president of the university receiving threats and even bomb threats. You choose not to accept the possibility that you MIGHT be wrong. You're choosing to assume that your side, a side that is literally on the same side as a mass murdering terror group, is somehow 100% peaceful. A side that has been infiltrated by outside forces in large amounts and professional agitators. A side that is filled with young students who are deeply ignorant of the subject matter.

A side that literally broke into offices and barricaded themselves. I have a confirmation bias. Yes, I know Israel has been far from perfect on many aspects. I 100% own it. I suggest you own it too.

Also, again. Nitpicking is sad. You're using it to keep your confirmation bias. Clinging to one thing in the hope of finding a tiny mistake in my arguments that you can use to invalidate everything I said. That's much easier than looking into the mirror and acknowledging that you might not know much about the situation and you might be doing harm to your cause.

Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem

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Post by racional »

invalidname wrote: post #182
racional wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is, you seem to be in the habit of making stuff up. In regard to specific events you allege to have happened. And when someone challenges you to provide some kind substantiation for what you're saying, you change the subject. Own it.

I provided multiple links confirming everything I said in the thread here and other threads. I provided a link to the president of the university receiving threats and even bomb threats. You choose not to accept the possibility that you MIGHT be wrong. You're choosing to assume that your side, a side that is literally on the same side as a mass murdering terror group, is somehow 100% peaceful. A side that has been in…

Except those links don't substantiate the factual claims you're trying to make.

And when you people draw attention to this, you say they're "nitpicking". And then you switch to entirely different topics and give people links to those topics.

I don't see what this strategy brings you.

Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem

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Post by invalidname »

racional wrote: post #183
invalidname wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I provided multiple links confirming everything I said in the thread here and other threads. I provided a link to the president of the university receiving threats and even bomb threats. You choose not to accept the possibility that you MIGHT be wrong. You're choosing to assume that your side, a side that is literally on the same side as a mass murdering terror group, is somehow 100% peaceful. A side that has been in…

Except those links don't substantiate the factual claims you're trying to make. And when you people draw attention to this, you say they're "nitpicking". And then you switch to entirely different topics and give people links to those topics. I don't see what this strategy brings you.

What point? That some of the protestors were threatening and violent?

The fact that you're doubting that is pretty astounding. It's a large group of people half of which weren't even students in NYU. The assumption that this group won't contain racist, violent people is detached from reality. I provided a link showing the president of a university was threatened and bomb threats were made (here it is again): https://nyunews.com/news/2024/05/03/mills-email-paulson-cent...

Here's another one showing some of the stuff NYPD grabbed: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nypd-official-items-fou...

The protesters are for the most part ignorant people who are being manipulated by outside forces. None of that is good for the Palestinians. It is helping: Trump, Russians, Iranians and Hamas.

Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem

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Post by racional »

invalidname wrote: post #184
racional wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except those links don't substantiate the factual claims you're trying to make. And when you people draw attention to this, you say they're "nitpicking". And then you switch to entirely different topics and give people links to those topics. I don't see what this strategy brings you.

What point? That some of the protestors were threatening and violent? The fact that you're doubting that is pretty astounding. It's a large group of people half of which weren't even students in NYU. The assumption that this group won't contain racist, violent people is detached from reality. I provided a link showing the president of a university was threatened and bomb threats were made (here it is again): https://…

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Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

anothernewdude wrote: post #166
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #87

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The selection process at most highly competitive schools is flawed, but the Ivy League universities still get the best students, in general.

And if you get the best students, then do you need to bother to provide the best education? If your students are going to achieve good results anyway? Might the quality of that education become suspect, if it lacks incentives to improve, since the branding largely carries everything?

The Ivy League schools don't necessarily have the best teachers. Professors are hired mainly based on their research output, not on teaching skills.

However, if you go to an Ivy League school, you'll be surrounded by the best students, which makes a difference, and you will get other perks, like tutoring from graduate students (the university gives them housing in exchange). If you're in science, you'll also be able to do undergrad research in a top lab.

Branding is a big deal, but these universities are legitimately great places to study.

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