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Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by chrisjj »

zikduruqe wrote: post #125
vondur wrote: post #8

Happened to me today. First got the message on my computer that my location was unknown and needed to enter a code from the phone. By the end of it, I had to reset my Apple password. No idea why it happened.

Happened to me last night. I got a push notification on my watch that I needed to update my iCloud password. I thought that this isn't right, so I went to my phone and MacBook. Same thing, those devices said I needed to change my password. So I figured someone has my @iCloud email address and tried to login. I do have hardware keys setup, so wasn't terribly worried. But none the less, I liked my old password and had…

> figured someone has my @iCloud email address and tried to login.

So... anyone with just your iCloud email address can get you locked out?? That's not what I would call secure...

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by jjallen »

Handprint4469 wrote: post #160
dinckelman wrote: post #151

So i'm not the only one, huh. Got myself an iPhone, downloaded 2 apps, went to bed, woke up to a complete lockout. They unblocked me through a phone support request, after 18 hours, and then hit me with a fresh ban, not even 24 hours later. Account got permabanned after like 5 more calls, where they just started sending me a legal notice instead. The fact that your device can become a complete brick, because of an is…

I bought an iPhone a couple of days ago, and was planning on using the weekend to finally migrate from my old Android phone. Luckily, I haven't even opened the box so I should be able to return it for a full refund. No way I'm spending over $1000 for this kind of experience.

What are the odds of having this experience? Shouldn’t they affect your behavior?

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by chrisjj »

dijit wrote: post #113

could be somewhat related, last week I had a successful login for my Apple ID from a location I didn't recognise (somewhere in central asia). I noticed because I got a prompt on my phone, which requested I allow (or disallow) the access. Since I'm pretty good about password hygiene and security, I of course changed my password immediately and force-signed out all my devices. That being said: if someone has a password…

> if someone has a password list and is using a bot to scan them all; Apple will of course lock-out sign-in attempts.

Of course?? That would be insane. Password-guessing bots are all over the place. Apple should not allow them to cause lockouts.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by pdimitar »

unlikelytomato wrote: post #180
pdimitar wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is all just some nerd’s out of touch pipe dream. Yes, though only because it's a lot of trouble to set up today. If it were completely commoditizated -- imagine one more button when setting up a new phone ("Choose where your data resides: Apple, Google, Facebook, Self hosted") and it was completely transparent then it would be used much more, especially if that's complemented by one of the nerds setting up e.g…

I used to think this. The Google, Apple, and Facebook options are the improved ergonomics solution. It just never pans out for these open solutions. I've been waiting decades for it things to get to that level, but it always ends up the same way - fiddling with servers.

You are restating that the self-hosted options are not as ergonomic yet which I already acknowledged.

As for waiting, yeah, sad story, but most of us don't want to be on the computer for 16-18h a day anymore. I implore any of the more privileged programmers -- people with job security, $200K+ annual salary, a lot of social safety nets -- to open their eyes and stop fucking around with the one millionth LISP interpreter and just start making non-corporate-controlled tech already.

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Post by tkiolp4 »

endgame wrote: post #167
coldtea wrote: post #92

Remember when you didn't need any fucking online account to use your computer? Pepperidge farm remembers.

Linux is still here.

Problem is hardware. I don’t like macos nor Apple, but their laptops are the best hardware out there.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by chrisjj »

dijit wrote: post #143
Ylpertnodi wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But if I were to apply very recent anecdotal data to this even then this is a meaningful conclusion I could draw. That being.....?

that an account database is being brute force checked with various leaked passwords, and accounts that are being brute forced are being locked. Its a common problem that can cause denial of service to users, but failure to do anything can lead to account compromise.

Can cause? Will cause, surely.

> failure to do anything can lead to account compromise.

Only on negligently managed accounts, right?

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by yannis »

Handprint4469 wrote: post #160
dinckelman wrote: post #151

So i'm not the only one, huh. Got myself an iPhone, downloaded 2 apps, went to bed, woke up to a complete lockout. They unblocked me through a phone support request, after 18 hours, and then hit me with a fresh ban, not even 24 hours later. Account got permabanned after like 5 more calls, where they just started sending me a legal notice instead. The fact that your device can become a complete brick, because of an is…

I bought an iPhone a couple of days ago, and was planning on using the weekend to finally migrate from my old Android phone. Luckily, I haven't even opened the box so I should be able to return it for a full refund. No way I'm spending over $1000 for this kind of experience.

Black swan events can happen to you. Recently I traveled to a European country from my base (Middle East). I normally take my phone and laptop with me and they are synced. I forgot the laptop charger and could not get one locally not at least for about a week and then dropped my phone and it got damaged. I bought another phone (Adroid) and tried to log in to by google accounts. It recognized the email and the pswd but then wanted verification from the original device! Despite having the original sim in the new phone.

On my return everything went smoothly through my laptop. Scary though.

My conclusion - have two physical phones + laptop all synced, plus hardcopy of important pswds etc.

Data is easier to protect by offline and online back-ups, but your online identity is hard.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by uh_uh »

dinckelman wrote: post #151

So i'm not the only one, huh. Got myself an iPhone, downloaded 2 apps, went to bed, woke up to a complete lockout. They unblocked me through a phone support request, after 18 hours, and then hit me with a fresh ban, not even 24 hours later. Account got permabanned after like 5 more calls, where they just started sending me a legal notice instead. The fact that your device can become a complete brick, because of an is…

Same applies to Apple terminating legitimate developer accounts and thus destroying livelihoods.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by whoitwas »

coldtea wrote: post #92

Remember when you didn't need any fucking online account to use your computer? Pepperidge farm remembers.

I use both Mac and Windows with no Apple account or Microsoft account. I lose some features, but gain privacy. Once I lost access to a Windows machine.
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