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Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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> future of warfare Color me skeptical. It feels like what we're seeing now is a local optimum: new systems (drones) designed to asymmetrically win ($) against legacy systems (mechanized vehicles) designed for very different goals. We'll see what things look like once the post-drone evolution cycle has turned on the armored side. That said, I do think the Marines are right, in that distributed agility/logistics from…

> We'll see what things look like once the post-drone evolution cycle has turned on the armored side I'm not convinced this is feasible in the short term; drone warfare is predicated on launching not just cheap drones but many of them. The new armor isn't steel or iron to survive the blast, but to shoot down attacking drones before they can explode. Most current defenses are ground-based missile batteries that can't…

Shaped charge warheads begat reactive armor begat tandem charges begat active protection systems.

I could see microwave-based APS (probably powered by a high energy consumable?) proliferating.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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The problem you have, dear Americans is called MIC. Just quoting one of your presidents: >“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” So many wars for profit. History knows best that there is no free lunch. But I suppose…

Russia getting its ass kicked by 40 year old American equipment is the strongest argument I've yet seen for the military-industrial complex :)

With shovels and washing machine chips I see:) Please open any map and see. Easy way: Check Weeb Union channel. But please, be seated.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Thank you very much. I feel like engineering innovation has been concentrated on technology and not in defense engineering at all. Immigrants have helped a lot in building the tech sector's innovation in the last half of the century. But the defense industry often requires naturalized citizens to work on these projects. I think there is a difference between immigrants coming to North America to work and eventually se…

Innovation has not been in defense engineering lately because the US has lost A LOT of public trust when it comes to the defense industry in the wake of Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The US is not the country, nor do they have the reputation in front of the public that led to the Manhattan project, where the greatest minds would willingly work on defense projects, not just willingly but eagerly. The breakthroughs a…

> and it was often considered a black mark if you went to work for a defense company (even Palantir)

Yeah, this always tickled me. Obviously smart people should just go work somewhere innocuous like Meta or ByteDance.

Also FWIW this is Palantir and Anduril's bread and butter. They get to vacuum up all the wrongthinkers.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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The problem in the US defense industry is, that since the end of the cold war, defense companies have consolidated into just 5 huge conglomerates and the lack of competition wasn't great for the pace of innovation, affordability or timely development. And the Cold War ended more than three decades ago, about the time we went from piston aircraft to the teen series jets making up the bulk of US inventory even today. I…

Your timeframe is a bit off. Piston powered aircraft were not in use in the US military 30 years ago. 30 years ago was 1994. We had B2 bombers, and the F22 was in full development. Also Boeing was developing the F-32 (which lost out to the F-35) in the mid 90's, so it's conceivable that an engineer on that program might still be around in some role.

I think you misunderstood, 30 years from piston powered to jets that are still being flown today. The F15 was introduced 27 years after the end of WW2, where all the fighters of consequence were piston powered.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Anduril was supposed to be a sponsor for a Nix conference; it was then dropped after community reacted negatively to having a weapons manufacturer being a sponsor. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37418351

"Outraged community" were about 30 people with few to no project contributions but a lot of political slogans and of likely questionable state of mind.

yet when I posted a verbatim profile page screenshot of the author while saying absolutely nothing about them myself, it was downvoted as "arrant bigotry" lol.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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post #173

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You know how you hear a lot of complaints about private prisons? How it creates perverse incentives that result in more people being imprisoned? We have a private war apparatus. We have been at war for 30 years without even a clear objective.

The objective is the same for every superpower in the world: to try and establish military hegemony and retain it for as long as possible.

I'd believe that if we won the wars instead of losing them all.

This is just looting.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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post #180

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The problem in the US defense industry is, that since the end of the cold war, defense companies have consolidated into just 5 huge conglomerates and the lack of competition wasn't great for the pace of innovation, affordability or timely development. And the Cold War ended more than three decades ago, about the time we went from piston aircraft to the teen series jets making up the bulk of US inventory even today. I…

Your timeframe is a bit off. Piston powered aircraft were not in use in the US military 30 years ago. 30 years ago was 1994. We had B2 bombers, and the F22 was in full development. Also Boeing was developing the F-32 (which lost out to the F-35) in the mid 90's, so it's conceivable that an engineer on that program might still be around in some role.

As a minor point of no real consequence the Cessna T-41 Mescalero has been in service in the US airforce and army from 1964 until today, and I've been told the Diamond DA20 Katana is in indirect service via a through a civilian contract that screens prospective pilots.

Weird nitpick, I know.

There's also a slew of drones that may or may not use efficient small piston engines or rotary varients which may or may not count as piston.

On the data aquisition side I'm willing to bet there's still a place in the US military for low, slow, ground hugging piston engine craft that run radiometrics or EM mapping.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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post #182

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Russia getting its ass kicked by 40 year old American equipment is the strongest argument I've yet seen for the military-industrial complex :)

With shovels and washing machine chips I see:) Please open any map and see. Easy way: Check Weeb Union channel. But please, be seated.

Do you speak obliquely because directly expressing yourself would be too funny?

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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If you don’t want to build weapons because you don’t like the variety of ways they may be wielded, that’s a valid and reasonable ethical stance. If you don’t want to build anything that could ever potentially be used in the manufacture of those weapons, you probably shouldn’t be building open source software or contributing anything to do with any programming language at all.

I think there's a big difference between "being used by" and "being active members of the community". Open Source means you can't really prohibit Anduril from using your projects; but _welcoming_ them and their money is a different matter altogether.

Computers, Internet, GPS, weather satellites, Tor, I wonder where all that came from.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Thank you very much. I feel like engineering innovation has been concentrated on technology and not in defense engineering at all. Immigrants have helped a lot in building the tech sector's innovation in the last half of the century. But the defense industry often requires naturalized citizens to work on these projects. I think there is a difference between immigrants coming to North America to work and eventually se…

It’s wrong and, frankly racist, to imply Americans are incapable of innovation. Immigrants are used to suppress wages, that innovation you describe is a key aspect of American culture and can be replicated in defense by Americans. One big problem is that the politics of the most innovative areas has been pretty anti-defense tech until very recently

I did not notice any implication of Americans being incapable of innovation. It is wrong and, frankly racist, to imply immigrants are used to suppress wages.
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