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Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by ghodith »

mc32 wrote: post #150
HillRat wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an interesting contrast, because Ah-Sen is an experimental formalist, and his questions progress from that point of view, whereas Powell is (hilariously) ... not. (As this feels like a Q&A-by-email with all the questions submitted en bloc, Ah-Sen probably didn't get a chance to adapt his questions, and their theoretical foundation, to Powell's responses, lending to the surrealistic air.)

Well, there is the bit where the interviewee responds to a question that utilizes SAT words by saying he does not recognize one of them. That tends to imply it's real-time, unless the interviewee is too lazy to look up the meaning before responding to an email or wants to underscore the pretentious use of language by the interviewer, who nevertheless keeps at it.

The interviewee near the end also says "I confess to feeling loose reading this question." So I'm thinking it's not real time.

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by boplicity »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #165
someuser2345 wrote: post #146

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It seems to me that this practice is just another example of putting white people on a pedestal. If all other racial groups have "a shared sense of identity and community", then it implies that being white is the default; that the world is split into white and not-white.

Independent of the stated rationale, I think the primary function is as an ideological test and signal: Does one hold that all the diverse peoples of Africa can be considered with a shared group identity, which deserves acknowledgement and respect, and do you simultaneously hold that white people of Europe can be grouped together, but that grouping is undeserving of the same validity and respect. If someone is willin…

>Does one hold that all the diverse peoples of Africa can be considered with a shared group identity, which deserves acknowledgement and respect, and do you simultaneously hold that white people of Europe can be grouped together, but that grouping is undeserving of the same validity and respect.

We have words for those people.

African. European.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here? It's confusing.

Maybe the problem here seems to be that "white" is implied to be the umbrella term for "European." It's not, nor do I believe very many people think it should be. We don't want to go back to the Pre-WW2 eugenics thinking. That pretty much tore the continent apart.

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by dragonwriter »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #165
someuser2345 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that this practice is just another example of putting white people on a pedestal. If all other racial groups have "a shared sense of identity and community", then it implies that being white is the default; that the world is split into white and not-white.

Independent of the stated rationale, I think the primary function is as an ideological test and signal: Does one hold that all the diverse peoples of Africa can be considered with a shared group identity, which deserves acknowledgement and respect, and do you simultaneously hold that white people of Europe can be grouped together, but that grouping is undeserving of the same validity and respect. If someone is willin…

Shared Black identity across nationalities and ethnicities, and even moreso shared American Black identity as a product of active erasure of nationalities and ethnicities, are products of shared experience within the context of White supremacy.

So is shared White identity across nationalities and ethnicities. But identifying with the shared White experience of White supremacy has a substantially different character than identifying with the shared Black experience of White supremacy.

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by pictureofabear »

hindsightbias wrote: post #63

“JMA: Does the prose voice that you adopt develop in parallel to the thematic concerns that you will tackle in a given work, or does it emerge as a result of other considerations? PP: It emerges with no consideration for anything but the next correct word.” PadgetGPT

Generative Padgett Tranformer

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by hotdogscout »

lanternfish wrote: post #160
hotdogscout wrote: post #98

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The shift in labels and categories applies to all ethnicities, not just whites, even in the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule All of the definitions are contested and subject to localities, not just whiteness. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263722423_Not_black... >is that "white" isn't an ethnic group with an actual cultural or racial lineage. None of them are. There's more genetic diversity…

I'm confused - it seems like every example you give here supports the theoretical conclusion above. "Black" as used in the editorial above is a very specific usage - replacing "African American" for the critical reasons outlined. The reason this group is unique as an ethnicity w.r.t. recategorization is because the structure and violence of slavery isolated them from historic ethnicities and forcefully regrouped them…

It's easy to be confused when you keep changing your definitions when they're not consistent!

"is that "white" isn't an ethnic group with an actual cultural or racial lineage".

"The reason this group is unique as an ethnicity w.r.t. recategorization is because the structure and violence of slavery isolated them from historic ethnicities and forcefully regrouped them under a new one."

Conflicting statements.

According to you white people don't have historic ethnicities but black people also don't because of slavery and that is why they deserve capitalization?

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by wolverine876 »

adamisom wrote: post #51
wolverine876 wrote: post #49

In a long true account of a dust-up at a restaurant in old Austin, not new Austin, a Black man on my roofing crew came to my defense and knocked out a white restaurant manager, who was at the moment presuming to assault me. Willie had noticed that the manager had Black back-up and felt I should too. “Old Padge need him some brothers too,” he would explain later. The piece was essentially a portrait of a hero, Willie…

>Snark is a signal of cheap argument: They have nothing more serious to say They may well have something more serious to say, and it doesn't imply a weak argument in itself. I think it's fair to say the author does have something more serious to say; the question, really, is do you. All you've done is reduced the OP to the same tired discourse, and proclaimed which side you're on, but you know, there really is more t…

> I think it's fair to say the author does have something more serious to say

Based on what?

> All you've done is reduced the OP to the same tired discourse

The OP did that. What else have they offered?

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by wolverine876 »

Funes- wrote: post #68
wolverine876 wrote: post #36

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I know you're joking but it may confuse people: It's veri (the truth, e.g. verily , verify ) + similitude : something that seems like truth, but is not truth - otherwise we'd just call it truth .

>something that seems like truth, but is not truth - otherwise we'd just call it truth. Not really. Something is verisimilar when it has the appearance of truth, or is likely to be true, regardless of whether it is in fact true. In Spanish, verosímil ('verisimilar') is rather frequently used in contexts in which one hypothesizes about the trueness of claims or statements, especially when it cannot be verified at that…

Very interesting about Spanish; thanks.

> Something is verisimilar when it has the appearance of truth, or is likely to be true, regardless of whether it is in fact true.

Hmmm ... in English I've never seen the usage "likely to be true". There are many other words for that - probable, likely, etc.

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