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An electric new era for Atlas

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Re: An electric new era for Atlas

#181

That first video of the bot standing from the floor and turning towards the camera one joint at a time does something strange to the uncanny valley horror movie part of my brain.

It looks like CGI to me, the way to camera moves together with the depth of field and that things appear too shiny. They don't state anything about it so I don't know what to believe.

Re: An electric new era for Atlas

#182

That first video of the bot standing from the floor and turning towards the camera one joint at a time does something strange to the uncanny valley horror movie part of my brain.

The future T series will move much better, you won’t have a reason to be scared about.

Re: An electric new era for Atlas

#183
post #52

Funny, just after the all electric Optimus. For sure they have been working on this for a long time. I predict that they will also move toward neural nets for all the vision, control and understanding of the world (like Tesla)

"move towards neural nets ... like Tesla" You sound confused.

why?

FSD is based on neural net so is Optimus vision

Re: An electric new era for Atlas

#184

Two words: Nightmare fuel.

How long before we have the YouTube remixes of this video with horror film music and a jump scare in the end blackness after the Boston Dynamics logo fades away? Is feels like they almost designed this video with that eventuality in mind. Like that wanted a second wave of organic 3rd party viral advertising.

It's such obvious horror bait there will be something good up by tomorrow.

Re: An electric new era for Atlas

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ultimate goal is to produce general-purpose robots. If we want robots that can do everything a human can, then legs are definitely useful. One simple example: getting in and out of a car. Another thing to consider is that a legged robot can tilt itself for balance while carrying heavy objects. To carry a similar weight with a wheeled robot you'll need a much wider wheel base. And then of course, if you want to bu…

Why do I want a general purpose robot? I don't need one robot that does it all, I'm happy with a separate robots for washing my dishes, and vacuuming my floors. Sure both can be improved on, but they don't need to converge. In fact I'm glad those two are separate as I can let both of them run at the same time and get the work done faster, while a general purpose robot can only do one at a time. The goal is to make my…

I don't think you want a vacuuming robot. Those already exist, its called a Roomba, and they have a lot of limitations that are completely intractible in their given form factor. You have to modify how you use your house to make it actually useful enough. Some examples:

1. Stairs. Roomba's can't vacuum stairs, so you still need to do those yourself.

2. Stairs, Roomba's can't traverse stairs, so you need one for each floor.

3. Doors. If you want the Roomba to vacuum the whole house, you have to have all the doors open for it.

4. Can't have anything on the floor, the Roomba will either get stuck or avoid it. But I shouldn't have to never leave a backpack on my floor if I want it vacuumed.

5. Corners. Roomba's can't vacuum in corners or in tight areas between furniture and walls. or any other weird geometry. ie: I have a wire shelf. Roomba doesn't fit under it but its easy to use a stick vacuum to get between the wires and to the floor.

And this is before we get to the limit on suction and capacity in that form factor.

Re: An electric new era for Atlas

#186
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. It seems to go hand-in-hand with people wanting to demonstrate humanoid robots doing domestic chores like shirt folding. I'd go out on a limb and say that we will NEVER have humanoid robots at home folding laundry, walking upstairs to put it away, or putting away the dishes in the kitchen. This is a 1960's sci-fi vision of the future, similar to that of flying cars. Any robot capable of fully navigating the h…

The problem with that “1960s vision” is thinking to literally about having robots do exactly what humans do now. Likely there is a creative way to solve the need for humans to do those tasks via automation, but it’s not likely to look like a humanoid robot folding laundry.

Agreed.

On the other hand, it'd be highly amusing if the future did involve humanoid robots out mowing the grass with a push mower, or getting into their car to drive to the grocery store.

I'm reminded of this Adam Savage video of BD's Spot pulling a rickshaw (23:00).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyaocKS3sfg

Maybe in the future the passenger will be a humanoid robot being taken to its laundry folding job?

Re: An electric new era for Atlas

#189
post #76

I'm thinking the humanoid approach to robotics is now a gimmick. In most--if not all--cases, a robot in human form is not necessary at all if the approach is to get work done.

Maybe there's a natural 'wisdom' to the humanoid shape after countless iterations over millions of years, though?

The golden ratio is found throughout nature and specifically the proportions of limbs to each other. The golden ratio is an observation that the fibbonacchi series occurs in nature and that the next step is 1.618. For a generalist robot, applying these kinds of "natural efficiencies" make sense, but constraining to the human shape is probably just to get investors to empathize enough for funding.

Re: An electric new era for Atlas

#190

A hill I'm willing to die on: bipedal robots are an evolutionary path that machines don't need to go down, we have lovely bearings and wheels that work perfectly with electric motors. Yes obviously there are limitations i.e. stairs and uneven terrain but there are wheeled/tracked solutions for those too Most of these robots will be used in factories that have very nice flat concrete floors

If we’re using NN’s to get fine motor skills right, like final steps in an assembly line, the simplest and most abundant source of training data are humans. :shrug:
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