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Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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"The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as nothing more than fuel, the better off you'll be" Better off how? Eating for enjoyment is one of the best pleasures in life. To quote someone else, if you spend your life eating no butter, no lard, no salt; you're gonna feel like a damn fool lying on your hospital bed, dying from nothing.

If your epitome of culinary pleasure is butter, lard and salt, you need to start dining somewhere else. (while I agree with you that eating can be a great pleasure, one can simultaneously enjoy great food every single day and not look like Jabba the Hutt).

I'm slim, tall, and handsome, and I cook my own food, thank you very much :)

Actually, one of the restaurants I truly enjoy is Au Pied De Cochon in Montreal, where it gets way "worse" than butter, lard and salt. Maybe it's a good thing I live across the continent from it :)

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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There are more subtle ways of gaming ruining your life, as well: slowly losing the drive to do anything more than what's necessary to pay the cable bill, rent, and the gaming subscription. Slowly the only friends you have are people you know from your guild. When the only source & output of creativity and energy are all wrapped up in playing a video game. I've also seen people similarly consumed by pornography, alcoh…

Six hours a week? I used to play four to six hours a _day_ of CounterStrike back in college. And let me tell you, that's one of the biggest regrets of my life. Most of my friends consisted of people whom I gamed with -- I barely made any friends in college. And of course, most of those gaming friendships never developed into any sort of deeper connection. Having made friends "IRL" with whom I have deeper connections…

This discussion raised an interesting thought in my mind: what if CounterStrike was seen as a worthwhile sport by society? If the annual CounterStrike champion was seen as on a par with top sportspeople? If people like muraiki could say "yeah, I trained pretty hard for CounterStrike in my college days. Almost went pro but decided I wanted to focus on other things. Got fond memories of it though".

That is, is the difference between "good" and "bad" obsessions purely subjective and cultural? (Example of a good obsession: recently I read the book "Mastery", where the author describes his years of practicing Aikido almost nightly. Aikido is probably close to useless in real life but the author was greatly enriched by his training. And the enrichment wasn't despite the fact his training was often repetitive, it was because it was so repetitive and "dull").

Or is there an objective criteria for distinguishing between good an bad obsessions? Here's my criteria, good obsessions are good for at least one of:

- your health - your wealth - your social circle - etc

And bad obsessions are bad for at least one of those. So if you're an avid gamer, but you don't let it go so far as to effect your health, and you actively go to LAN parties or gaming expos and make real friends through that, then that's a healthy obsession.

Or if you're an online poker player or day trader that loses significant money, that's an unhealthy obsession (because it would be rational to stop). If you make money, then it's a healthy obsession. If you only lose insignificant amounts of money, then it's just a hobby and isn't really good or bad.

I actually only admitted to myself this year that I'm actually obsessed with startups. I realised that most close friends I made over the last few years had ever a strong interest or active involvement in entrepreneurship and instead of trying to fight it (eg, like thinking it was kind of lame that I've been to more tech conferences than music concerts), I should just double down on that and build a social circle out of my startup obsession.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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> When the only source & output of creativity and energy are all wrapped up in playing a video game. One day I imagine we'll be able to map real world problems to video games, in a way that doesn't require knowledge of the solution to create the mapping. Programming itself is very similar to a game. If someone could make it into a virtual world, where I "write" code simply by putting together various machines in 3D s…

The real zen moment is when you realize you don't need someone to "gamify" life for you, but can simply choose to see life as a game.

Or you could be a realist and recognize that some people need help to see life and problems as a games :)

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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Just out of curiosity, what about 6 hours playing video games? 10 hours? 20? (20 can easily be 2 a night during the week (chill out after work) and then 5 at night on weekends -- time that could just as easily be spent doing other sedentary things on weekends)

Video games are a leisure activity. They might not be quite as mentally engaging as commenting on HN or programming, but they provide the same functionality. Making a distinction between time spent playing video games and time spent doing other leisure activities is fairly pointless. Managed properly, there's no real physical difference between playing a video game for 20 hours a week and reading a novel, watching TV…

Perfect clarification

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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As a gamer myself, please understand that I don't have anything against gaming in general. However, I can think of an objective way in which producing "useful things to society" is better than gaming, which is that if everyone chose to spend all their time gaming, we would die from lack of basic necessities such as food, water, sanitation, etc. This would, of course, cut short the amount of gaming we could all do. So…

So, obviously, we have no choice but for some people contribute to society. Is there a fair way to decide who has to contribute, and who is allowed to opt out and play video games all day? Not really, but we have a way anyway, and it's called money. It's the same way we use to determine who is allowed to opt out and read all day, who is allowed to opt out and go on lots of vacations, and who is allowed to opt out and…

mquander's response took the words out of my mouth. Video games, or anything else mentioned as an alternative to video games in this article, are things you do after you take care of the other necessities of life.

It was clear from the article that spawned this discussion that he was employed and simply took some time off like I did to play D3.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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I dunno, I've had some pretty epic hack sessions in my life, but none of them even compare to when I get sucked into a video game. Diablo 3 came out last week, and I literally had stretches where I didn't even go to the bathroom for 12+ hours. I got severely dehydrated when Mass Effect 3 came out to the point that the effects lingered for a couple of days. That sort of complete absorption has never come to me while h…

Out of curiosity, have you been to a gambling environment? Did you find it hard to eat and drink there? Do you play board games with a similar intensity? What about marathon TV shows, do you wait until the end of an episode (or story arc) before ablutions?

Nope, nope, and nope, but yes on the TV shows.

To elaborate: I've been gambling many times, but have never felt the same compulsion as I get when I drawn into a good video game. Heck, I have trouble sitting at a blackjack table for more than half an hour.

Ditto board games. I've done some all-night Risk games with friends in the past, but those were out of sheer machismo, and no food/bathroom breaks were missed.

On the other hand, for really strongly arced TV shows I do find it hard to tear away. When I discovered the West Wing last week (how did it take me this long to find this show?!) I ended up marathoning the first season over two days, entirely unintentionally.

I might have an addictive personality...

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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Kickstarter idea: A USB connected exercise bike with a keyboard and mouse tray on it and a VESA display mount. If you don't pedal fast enough the screen dims. If you stop the screen blanks and the network connection drops.

You'd need a "break" button that you can recharge every so often so you can coast or grab a drink, but otherwise it'd be the ultimate "hard core" mode for gamers.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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Six hours a week? I used to play four to six hours a _day_ of CounterStrike back in college. And let me tell you, that's one of the biggest regrets of my life. Most of my friends consisted of people whom I gamed with -- I barely made any friends in college. And of course, most of those gaming friendships never developed into any sort of deeper connection. Having made friends "IRL" with whom I have deeper connections…

This discussion raised an interesting thought in my mind: what if CounterStrike was seen as a worthwhile sport by society? If the annual CounterStrike champion was seen as on a par with top sportspeople? If people like muraiki could say "yeah, I trained pretty hard for CounterStrike in my college days. Almost went pro but decided I wanted to focus on other things. Got fond memories of it though". That is, is the diff…

You make good points. "Is there an objective criteria for distinguishing between good and bad obsessions?" I think that the nuance we are trying to capture is the difference between being passionate about something and being obsessed. And I think that where we can draw the line is at the psychological health of each person, although it might not be the most objective measure. Let me explain.

My wife was a national champion in college soccer. She ended up switching schools, but for the time that she was playing college soccer she got nearly full tuition. She certainly was in top physical shape. These all seem like good accomplishments, but she always tells people that she wishes she hadn't done soccer. There are small reasons like the wear and tear on her body, and her feeling that she would have more greatly enjoyed piano (which she's since taken up again).

But ultimately, the thing that she says bothered her the most was the kind of person that competitive soccer turned her into. The effect upon her personality and the way she treated other people was very negative. I won't relate the adjectives that she uses to describe herself at the time, but what's important is that the dividing line for her as to whether all her effort in soccer was worth it or not was _the kind of person it made her become_.

I'm not a psychologist so I can't really go much further with this. It probably isn't the most objective criteria, as it depends on one's value system. Certainly there are exceptions, like an alcoholic who thinks that he is really enjoying life. But if we were to talk about what seems to be more subtle obsessions, as opposed to chemical addictions, the one thing I can see that is common to both my wife and I -- her having done something that most people would have valued and I having done something that didn't result in much positive benefit -- is that neither of us liked the type of person that our activities turned us into.

What's critical is that neither of us were able to understand this until we were able to step back from our passion/obsession and look at it from the outside, as if we were a third party. We had to be able to step apart from our activity, look at ourselves dispassionately, and ask, "Is this who I want to be?"

Now, the situation you describe is a little different. To succeed as an entrepreneur requires constant education, which necessarily includes making many connections with other entrepreneurs for learning and support. Certainly someone who spends all their time consuming music might not be making the most out of their lives, but someone who spends all their time away from their family at tech conferences will also be missing out on very important things. I don't know your personal situation, but I think it does come down to your psychological well-being.

Your wealth, your social circle, even your health and your life can vanish in an instant. Whether a recession destroys your 401k, your friends leave you for other interests, you are diagnosed with a disease, or you die in an accident, there is no guarantee that any of these things will continue to persist. That's not to say that they aren't worth laboring for, but recognizing the ephemerality of these things can help give us a new perspective. What I try and ask myself is, "If I died in the next moment, would I feel that I have lived?"* That question can help me choose between another hour of Diablo 3 and spending some time with my wife, for instance. :)

Edit: For the sake of being perfectly honest, my question is a little bit different as it is based on my value system, which I'm not certain the HN community appreciates. I tried to put forth a question that most people could interpret and apply to themselves. But for me, the question is, "Do I love my God, and do I love my neighbor as Christ demonstrates His love for us, even unto death?" There are all sorts of ways -- even in soccer and video games! -- that can help me answer this question with a yes. And that's why I think the question of passion vs obsession is a difficult line to draw. To not disclose this would make me feel dishonest, but I admit that I'm reluctant to fully explain this because of the way the tech/scientist community generally feels about religion.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, have you been to a gambling environment? Did you find it hard to eat and drink there? Do you play board games with a similar intensity? What about marathon TV shows, do you wait until the end of an episode (or story arc) before ablutions?

Nope, nope, and nope, but yes on the TV shows. To elaborate: I've been gambling many times, but have never felt the same compulsion as I get when I drawn into a good video game. Heck, I have trouble sitting at a blackjack table for more than half an hour. Ditto board games. I've done some all-night Risk games with friends in the past, but those were out of sheer machismo, and no food/bathroom breaks were missed. On t…

Aww, you saw through my veil of mystery:P I was just curious to see if games are more addictive for you personally then other "common" addictive activities.

I wonder if it's because games and TV have something in common that the other activities don't: A storyline. I personally get a little engrossed in media, but only for a few hours then I'm bored. Games, however, I can play all day. Other activities just don't have the same pull for me.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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Gaming is a serious problem in the country. I have known young teenagers devote their lives to "raiding" or getting "frags". Where did they end up now? Working at a McDonalds barely making minimum wage sharing a 2 bedroom apartment and saving up money for the next new hit. I should know, I am one of them. When I am not gaming, I am either posting on video game message boards or masturbating. We need to treat this like a serious problem in America. Kids these days are addicted to video games just like how they are addicted to marijuana. We need to stop this.
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