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Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by sojournerc »

ndkxmwnrbto wrote: post #178
sojournerc wrote: post #143

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How do you wake up and go to work with this attitude? I've been nihilistic, but don't you think you should spend your short time on this planet doing something that matters, at least marginally? And if not, maybe make a change?

the time i spend with my wife and kids is what matters. work is just a means to provide for them. in fact im currently not working because i quit my job for a while to spend time with them full time. this matters more to me than service health metrics and kpis

Awesome. I think your priorities are right. When it's time, I hope you can find work that provides both means for your family and personal satisfaction

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by arcastroe »

brk wrote: post #13
Lammy wrote: post #7

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The drive to get people back into the office isn't due to any sunk cost on commercial real estate — it's a strategy to prevent workers from working multiple jobs simultaneously.

When did all the CEOs meet to decide this? I missed that one.

There's a large whatsapp group containing hundreds of Silicone Valley CEOs. I imagine they keep up with gossip and coordinate policies in that group.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38583253

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by ultrasaurus »

nicoburns wrote: post #130
al_borland wrote: post #101

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Doesn’t this only work if everyone you need to have meetings with also has the same plan for 2 meeting days per week?

Some hybrid workplaces specify which days you need to attend

Which means you need office space for 100% of the people, but that's only used 40% of the time.

You can get a little clever with GTM coming in on different days than Eng but it's tradeoffs all the way down. (In a value-neutral way)

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by nicoburns »

ultrasaurus wrote: post #183
nicoburns wrote: post #130

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Some hybrid workplaces specify which days you need to attend

Which means you need office space for 100% of the people, but that's only used 40% of the time. You can get a little clever with GTM coming in on different days than Eng but it's tradeoffs all the way down. (In a value-neutral way)

Well yes, hybrid working isn't generally a way to save office space. It's a way to help workers be more productive and also to give them time to deal with their non-work responsibilities.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by from-nibly »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #21
TexanFeller wrote: post #16

I have ADHD and am autistic so loud open floor plan offices are a challenge. I'm in the category of people most likely to benefit from remote. Honestly it's been a much bigger challenge trying to collaborate and connect with coworkers in the new world than trying to cope with an office. People often don't perceive you as an actual human if you've only ever been a video square to them. And quick collaboration just doe…

I do miss the old "whiteboard brainstorming session" sometimes

Lets figure out how to make that work from home.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by [deleted] »

jonahhorowitz wrote: post #29
searchableguy wrote: post #10

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The simplest reason is lack of effective communication, team bonding, and morale. People behave differently behind a screen even if incentivised by money. This becomes a problem at the scale of big companies. Eg - without body language, tone and context - everyone needs to be extra charitable to avoid miscommunication or distrust. This might cause people to be overly defensive in their approach to communicate.

I've said this in other places, but as a _manager_ it's much nicer to work in the office, in person. That gets more true the higher up the management chain you go. Managers spend most of their time in meetings. Meetings suck over video chat. This is the entire reason CEOs (and pretty much everyone between them and line employees) would rather everyone come back to work. It makes their workday more pleasant.

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Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by BobaFloutist »

benatkin wrote: post #169
BobaFloutist wrote: post #82

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There's a compelling argument that new hires should be work from office for their first couple of weeks, and that their team should probably spend more time in the office during the new hire's first few weeks too. That's no reason to throw out hybrid work wholesale, though, and if that's the only thing keeping a workplace from going full remote the full costs and benefits need to be weighed appropriately.

> their team should probably spend more time in the office during the new hire's first few weeks too Would this be mandatory? If so, a team member might be inclined to sabotage a new hire.

If someone's intentionally keeping their own team understaffed just to avoid a couple of weeks of coming into the office 3 days a week instead of 2 days a week, I think you have bigger problems than the specific situation.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by whoknowsidont »

cookie_monsta wrote: post #69

My boss (middle management) is very staunchly opposed to more than 1 day per week of WFH. She spends about 90% of her time on video calls, so I was always confused by that until she was telling me that when she does WFH she's always distracted by other things which doesn't happen in the office. Maybe a lot of the WFH opposition is really just managers projecting their own work ethic onto others?

> She spends about 90% of her time on video calls

Doing what? And I ask this not as someone who is a junior, or even mid-level, far above it.

But this legitimately seems like "make-work."

UBI would go a long way to resolving a large class of these problems.

The absurdity of driving into an office, to get on video calls is not a new absurdity or problem, but we already proved its pointless. And yet people stick to it.

Maybe they shouldn't be in charge of people, let alone working.

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