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Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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What are the downsides with GrapheneOS? I had a few problems with root (Netflix and banking apps) but would love my privacy. My main reason for root is the firewall to block outgoing connections from apps that are not supposed to do it

It's really a downside of the Google app ecosystem and not GrapheneOS per se , but apps requiring higher levels of integrity per Google attestation (Play Integrity/SafetyNet) generally won't work. Intentionally breaking apps on "untrusted" configurations is basically the point of that feature, and GrapheneOS does provide the relevant services, but would need to be specifically enabled by the app developer.

So Netflix and such DO NOT work on phone? That's really frustrating

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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What are the downsides with GrapheneOS? I had a few problems with root (Netflix and banking apps) but would love my privacy. My main reason for root is the firewall to block outgoing connections from apps that are not supposed to do it

GrapheneOS is not rooted, so you won't have those issues. GrapheneOS also gives you a Network permission per-app; if you uncheck it, the app has no connectivity, period. Highly recommended.

Based on the other comment thread, it seems like Play Integrity and SafetyNet do not succeed and as such, can't really use Netflix, is that correct?

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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They do, but you can't get the card number from reading the chip. The protocol is a challenge-response one based on a private key stored within the chip. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_Authentication_Program You need to read the entire card number + cvc2 + expiry date with your camera. That's not skimming, that's just taking a photo of the card.

No, you can most certainly get the card number and expiry via the chip and even over contactless, as it’s a vital part of transaction routing/processing. There are Android apps that can do it.

If I could I'd delete my original comment since I did more research and you're right.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14861908/apdu-command-to...

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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I do hope that (for example) EU would force makers to provide a way to unlock the device and install any OS/distribution I want...

The EU wants to mandate 5 years of security updates, which is a lot more relevant to the immense majority of consumers.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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How so? I thought a precedent was just any case that has been ruled in a certain way, irrespective of the court it has happened in.

Not all courts have the power to set precedent. Small claims courts in England don’t.

The way it's been explained to me is precedent is often referring to rulings that start with the similar courts geographically to other ones.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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I have an old Huawei P20 Pro floating around. When it was new, you could contact Huawei and get a code for unlocking the bootloader after providing your phone's serial number. Great I thought, I'll do that later when it stops receiving updates. Stupid me, at some point those arseholes stopped giving out the unlock codes. I wonder if one could sue, but from googling around a bit I can't find a trace of them ever makin…

On this page:

https://consumer.huawei.com/en/community/details/P20-Pro-Boo...

there's someone from Huawei who acknowledges the policy change, with a date. Maybe check archive.org for the mentioned time and url? HTH.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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This is rubbish. I'm running GrapheneOS and have left my bootloader unlocked, and there's no app that has refused to work. The only caveat is some of them need Google Play services. No, I am not rooted, but my last phone was rooted and there might have been one or two apps out of dozens that wouldn't work with root even with Magisk trying to hide the root status. Using a custom ROM is easily one of the beat choices I…

What are the downsides with GrapheneOS? I had a few problems with root (Netflix and banking apps) but would love my privacy. My main reason for root is the firewall to block outgoing connections from apps that are not supposed to do it

No NFC payments with Google wallet.

You can get unlucky with your bank app but someone maintains a wiki of compatible banking apps

Android auto works OK.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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SMS is magnitudes less secure than the Secure Enclave in my phone. Fallback should never be the weakest link in a security chain. Especially not in something as high stakes as your banking login. I can’t remember how I got my first bank token in my phone. Probably by physically showing up in the bank office with my id.

SMS 2FA is not great, but still seems to be more secure than a rooted phone. If your SMS OTP leaks to the attacker, they still need to know the first factor (password, biometrics) to gain access. Meanwhile, if your rooted phone is controlled by an attacker ... that's it, the attacker has everything.

Fair. I still wouldn’t want to have such a fallback available by default. Being stronger than an even worse option doesn’t change that. Because it eliminates the security of the strongest option.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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I just sent feedback to ASUS expressing my concern at the loss of bootloader unlocking. I have 2 perfectly good cell phones that are e-waste now, simply because the vendor stopped issuing patches, and the bootloader can't be unlocked to use LineageOS. I bought a Zenfone recently because I thought I'd be avoiding that issue. If they don't fix this, I won't be buying another one. ASUS CEO contact page: https://www.asus…

I was on the fence about buying a zenphone but waiting to see if the bootloader unlock ever showed back up.

Still holding a pixel 3, unlocked, with lineage. There are no small phones with good specs and unlockable. Zenphone seemed the way, until they stopped with their unlocks.

What a market to be burying in the mud.

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