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Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by rhplus »

pradn wrote: post #31
eadmund wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The article mistakenly refers to Sagrada Familia as the cathedral of Barcelona. It's not. It's a minor basilica, not a cathedral. There may not be enough institutional knowledge at CNN about Catholicism that the editors would know that there is a difference between a basilica and a cathedral. This is the sort of thing that the folks at GetReligion.com were trying to address: not advocating any particular religion,…

There is this odd split in American society that makes this possible. You can go through your entire life, end up a professional journalist at the Times and not actually have asked someone about their sincerely held faith and practice. Kids rarely talked about religion in HS, outside of like the Interfaith club. (I ran my high school's and we had an annual panel of a rep from each major religion. I was was quite popu…

There is this constitutional right in American society that makes this possible.

Change two words in your opening sentence and the rest reads like the system is working as intended!

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Post by bluGill »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #99
pradn wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is this odd split in American society that makes this possible. You can go through your entire life, end up a professional journalist at the Times and not actually have asked someone about their sincerely held faith and practice. Kids rarely talked about religion in HS, outside of like the Interfaith club. (I ran my high school's and we had an annual panel of a rep from each major religion. I was was quite popu…

I have the opposite impression. Among Westerners Americans seem like the group where Christianity still plays the largest role in the average person's life. They talk about it a lot, to the point that I find it annoying. It's not just people who believe in it, the atheists and secular ones among them constantly complain about how bad religion is and how much they hate it. That's something you simply don't see in West…

You misunderstand how Americans talk about religion. A lot of us are religious and we talk about it - but we are careful to stay in generic terms because historically - back in the old country (Europe) we would be encouraged to shoot/kill someone of a different religion. America tended to put a lot of different religions together and so very religious people had to figure out how to get along with someone strong in a different religion to get things like a mayor elected.

Of course today few in Europe would go to war over religious differences. The world has changed (for the better unless by odd chance you happen to be the same religion as me - note I do not state which religion that is - this omission makes this a statement you can agree with whereas if I stated the religion you would disagree)

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Post by captaincaveman »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #173
azulster wrote: post #158

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some people use anarchist as term similar to "vandal", "rioter" or "terrorist", just a rogue element at the time causing destruction or chaos.

But anarchists were a distinct and active political force in Spain during (and before) the Spanish Civil War. I suspect the page is talking about those anarchists. The Catholic Church was on Franco's side during the Civil War so a church wouldn't have been an unreasonable target for left-wing anarchists, though I have no idea if the claim is true.

Yes, Anarchist were very much a specific thing in that context, not as its used today.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by pas »

Gimpei wrote: post #126
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

Le Courbousier is what happened. He actually wanted to demolish Paris and put up a huge office park. But I love modern architecture. Try going to the Salk institute or even the Marin County Civic Center. It’s pretty mystical.

Brazilia (the city) is pretty nice. Getting rid of roads and keeping/extending parks is much easier there than, in either a suburban sprawl or in Barcelona.

The "towers in the park" concept works, if the park is not just an artificial green desert. (And the towers are not the underfunded "projects"), for example Hong Kong (the island), with the green mountain and the walkable seaside promenades felt much more livable than even Barcelona.

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Post by bluGill »

bjackman wrote: post #72
unglaublich wrote: post #43

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Exactly. Nimbyism at its finest: all gains are mine; all losses should be covered. It's bizarre that at the same time, real estate investors think all value increases are rightfully theirs, but they should be protected from any decrease in value. You can hardly call it 'investing' if you're protected from the downsides.

I don't oppose destruction of housing because of people losing their investment - expropriate it for all I care. But reducing the housing supply is bad for everyone. That's the important problem with nimbyism: it's not that it demands unfair advantages for homeowners as investors, it's that it prevents development that is needed for a better world. There's definitely an argument to be made that globally iconic feats…

We need to build more housing, but that doesn't mean we need to keep existing housing. Most old buildings should be replaced - they were not built with modern codes in mind and so are expensive to heat, dangerous in fire, have not accessible bathrooms, or other such things wrong that are difficult to correct.

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Post by throw0101b »

cmpalmer52 wrote: post #18
jihadjihad wrote: post #5

It's amazing if you haven't gone, especially when sunlight streams in through the windows. I saw a quote while I was there that was something along the lines of, "Gaudí is not an artist with whom posthumous collaboration is possible." A couple minutes walking around the church is all that's needed to confirm that notion.

I’m not particularly religious and not Catholic, but the Sagrada Familia brought me to tears. The interior is one of the most beautiful man-made spaces I’ve ever seen.

"How Beauty Draws Us to God":

* https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/how-beauty-d...

See also perhaps longer presentation (50m) from Bp. Robert Barron, "Beauty in the Catholic Tradition":

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbfWTlPt8mU

The debate of religion and (forms of) art has an interesting history:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm

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Post by coryrc »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #147
Gimpei wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Le Courbousier is what happened. He actually wanted to demolish Paris and put up a huge office park. But I love modern architecture. Try going to the Salk institute or even the Marin County Civic Center. It’s pretty mystical.

Try going to Palma, Salk institute looks like a depressive lifeless concrete mess OCD creation. https://www.spain.info/en/destination/palma/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salk_Institute_for_Biologica...

is a picture of the named building. Your link, for me, puts up a beautiful (sandstone?) cathedral.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by throw0101b »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

> Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture.

To a certain extent: economics.

Beauty generally does not show up on a spreadsheet, and when it does it often adds cost. Glass costs less than steel, concrete, or stone, so it's lower CapEx to have glass towers. (Of course glass sucks as a thermal insulator, so your OpEx for heating/cooling may be higher.)

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