Thoughts on Vision Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Thoughts on Vision Pro

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Post by filleduchaos » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 5:50 PM UTC

theshackleford wrote: post #140

filleduchaos wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That...isn't even how myopia works. Do people actually think us short-sighted people see the world in 480p or what?

I mean I’ve got myopia and that’s not far off. I’m -6.75 in each eye. I’d say it’s more like 240p stretched over a giant display. At least in my case without glasse, I just see blobs of moving colour, not unlike very heavy compression/artifcating. I can make out people, vehicles etc, but I couldn’t tell one individual or vehicle from another. Just the shapes.

I'm not as short-sighted (-3 in each, plus astigmatism of around 2.5 in my left eye) but to me there is a clear difference between the lack of focus that I have without my glasses and low resolution videos viewed with corrected vision. There's even a clear difference between both of those and e.g. reduced visibility from fog or haze.

And this isn't just down to videos being shown on a screen - just looking at digital photos with a critical eye also shows the difference between an out-of-focus shot (which approximates myopia) and a shot that's simply taken with a low-res sensor. One of the standout points is the way that lights look - low-res but in-focus shots don't have the "bokeh" effect.

Re: Thoughts on Vision Pro

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Post by imwillofficial » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 6:16 PM UTC

riwsky wrote: post #130

I know something’s off about the visionOS keyboard—but I can’t put my finger on it.

I spit my coffee out at this one hahahaahaha

Re: Thoughts on Vision Pro

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Post by averageRoyalty » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 9:20 PM UTC

actionfromafar wrote: post #37

wpm wrote: post #27

> I was downloading Star Wars for my flight back to London. The only way to check progress over slow hotel wifi was to look at the progress circle, which is also the cancel button. I was aware that every time I checked progress, I was one finger-spasm away from cancelling the whole download Oh god this. The last 10 years of UX trends where everything has to be two or three different actions behind a single tap or tap…

Try hanging up a call on your smartphone and your counterpart hanged up a a fraction of a second before you. Now you call someone (pretty deep down) in your recent call list. Or click "Connect to Bluetooth headset" in Windows. Congratulations, your headset just connected itself, so you now you disconnected it. Just brilliant, overall.

> Try hanging up a call on your smartphone and your counterpart hanged up a a fraction of a second before you. Now you call someone (pretty deep down) in your recent call list.

I do this daily and it infuriates me.

I am also a fast typer on both touch and physical. As a result I often type into an auto complete box (e.g. kagi, gmail, etc) and see the result I want come up midway through my type. As I'm going to click or tap it, I am often in the 200ms window where that result is replaced by another or the list is reordered in some way.

Dynamically loading webpages are also a plague of the last decade for the same reason. They load an initial layout, often interactable. Then as you're going to click or tap, they dynamically load other elements or content, reordering and moving things around the page!

If you don't have anything n̵i̵c̵e̵ ̵t̵o̵ ̵s̵a̵y̵,̵ ̵d̵o̵n̵'̵t̵ ̵s̵a̵y̵ ̵a̵n̵y̵t̵h̵i̵n̵g̵ ̵a̵t̵ ̵a̵l̵l̵ ready to load, don't load anything at all.

Re: Thoughts on Vision Pro

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Post by BryantD » Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 10:45 PM UTC

pvg wrote: post #34

BryantD wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, this is also the case for many video platforms on Mac and iOS (and I assume Windows and Android as well). It's not limited to Vision Pro. I believe this is because of studio pressure. My unvalidated assumption is that if I can take screenshots of a movie on my Mac, I can also record the full content and duplicate the movie. Thus, this is a copy protection measure.

studio pressure A better way to think of this might be 'voluntary commercial agreements entered by gigantic corporations'. The results are some mildly annoying misfeatures inflicted on consumers (the 'dystopia' in the GP comment) and wide, cheap, on-demand availability of unfathomable quantities of digital content (the 'utopia' we actually live in).

Concur. I wasn't really happy with my phrasing but it seemed like OK shorthand; I like yours.

Re: Thoughts on Vision Pro

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Post by samplatt » Fri, Apr 05, 2024, 2:16 AM UTC

throwup238 wrote: post #119

samplatt wrote: post #118

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You're right that we need to be aware of this because we can and WILL be exploited via these avenues, but for now at least, it's kinda the other way around - a family that stays together naturally wants to share content with each other. "Hey, let's play a game!" What sort of game? "One we can play together" Welp looks like this multi-thousand-$$ toy is out then, lets go back to traditional games.

> a family that stays together naturally wants to share content with each other. “Content” is the worst euphemism I’ve ever heard. You have been fully exploited. Real families want to share quality family time in the real world, not “content”

Okay: "naturally wants to share experiences with each other." Or is that too web 1.0?

VR/AR has the capacity to bridge technology platforms that have hitherto been kept separate, sometimes by cultural forces, and sometimes for good reason. Words like 'content' are ripe for misinterpretation - I'd be more careful about assuming too much about strangers on the internet, mate.

To be fair, I should have been less vague, especially on a thread about an apple product where people tend to get a bit evangelical.