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Re: Glassdoor updated my profile to add my real name and location

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Post by swozey »

throwaway918274 wrote: post #72
zug_zug wrote: post #10

If anybody doesn't think this is a problem, I overheard managers talking about a 3rd-party tool that finds "at risk employees" which they didn't define but said it included signals such as "they updated their linked in recently" as a signal that they may be on the job hunt. You better believe that data brokers are both interested in buying and selling any sort of information around your employment/job/interview behav…

Employers and recruiters are always bewildered when I say I don't have a LinkedIn account, or a public Github profile (I have a few tiny open source projects I maintain, but they are all pseudonymous) - and this is exactly why. I don't want people creeping any kind of "profile" of me. Ever.

It's by no means a limiting factor if they don't have one, but when I'm interviewing for mid - staff+ level engineers in my specific field I absolutely love when they have some sort of project portfolio I can look at. Github, Gitlab, medium, whatever.

I learn so little from a persons bullet pointed resume that when I don't have those the interviews feel like I'm pretty much walking in completely ignorant to this persons interests and skills over and over again.

When I can go "oh neat, jbob99 worked on a foss project I used a few years ago!" it's nice.

But I also couldn't care less about being "creeped" on. Half of my career was built because I'm not an anonymous random software guy and companies know my work.

You're using a completely random throwaway nick to stay anonymous on here, while I've literally gotten jobs from hn and grown my career from it. Just like I did on IRC when I was 13. It's an interesting difference of use.

I don't mean one is better or worse at all and I totally get wanting to be anonymous.

Re: Glassdoor updated my profile to add my real name and location

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Post by bri3d »

zug_zug wrote: post #10

If anybody doesn't think this is a problem, I overheard managers talking about a 3rd-party tool that finds "at risk employees" which they didn't define but said it included signals such as "they updated their linked in recently" as a signal that they may be on the job hunt. You better believe that data brokers are both interested in buying and selling any sort of information around your employment/job/interview behav…

I've never really seen retention risk tooling used for evil in the way that most HN readers seem to think it is; it's kind of interesting and eye-opening to me to see the strong negative sentiment towards it.

I've worked in management at companies with risk-based retention tools, and I've always seen them used as just that... retention tools. If anything, getting a high risk score as a high performer would usually be greatly in an employee's best interest, as it would be another justification to the higher-ups for a raise or better job assignment.

To be clear, I'm personally generally against these kind of panopticon data-slurp initiatives overall, I'm just surprised that the initial reaction is so strongly "my manager will use this to fire me" when I've only ever seen the opposite.

Re: Glassdoor updated my profile to add my real name and location

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Post by usefulcat »

tomrod wrote: post #69
zug_zug wrote: post #10

If anybody doesn't think this is a problem, I overheard managers talking about a 3rd-party tool that finds "at risk employees" which they didn't define but said it included signals such as "they updated their linked in recently" as a signal that they may be on the job hunt. You better believe that data brokers are both interested in buying and selling any sort of information around your employment/job/interview behav…

Let them squirm. Get your teammates to update to and keep management nervous and focused on improving the employee's lives. Take it even to starting a union if needed. You don't give your time to an employer, you trade it, and in our modern society we have a gap in the market power of labor. Only way to get it is to reclaim it.

All of that is reasonable, but none of it works unless you can get ~everyone in your org to do it.

Re: Glassdoor updated my profile to add my real name and location

#185

Post by shon »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #149
shon wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We built this tool as part of HiringSolved. Other signals included time in current position relative to industry average and personal history.

Do you sleep well at night?

Yes, actually. Hiring sucks. We wanted to make it better.

I believe we did do that by showing the HR world that data driven insights could be a better indicator than what school someone went to or whether they played Ultimate Frisbee (a real hiring signal used by a Fortune 500 tech co).

We didn’t solve hiring. It’s a tough problem with many strange human biases and rituals. But I do think we made it better even if only a little.

Re: Glassdoor updated my profile to add my real name and location

#186

Post by ryanjshaw »

swozey wrote: post #181
throwaway918274 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Employers and recruiters are always bewildered when I say I don't have a LinkedIn account, or a public Github profile (I have a few tiny open source projects I maintain, but they are all pseudonymous) - and this is exactly why. I don't want people creeping any kind of "profile" of me. Ever.

It's by no means a limiting factor if they don't have one, but when I'm interviewing for mid - staff+ level engineers in my specific field I absolutely love when they have some sort of project portfolio I can look at. Github, Gitlab, medium, whatever. I learn so little from a persons bullet pointed resume that when I don't have those the interviews feel like I'm pretty much walking in completely ignorant to this pers…

People often have reasons outside of their control for being anonymous. Others have employment contracts that limit what outside business interests they can be involved in, including open source. That being said, I've been on HN for 2 years longer than you, 2/3rds the karma, and zero job offers so what do I know.

Re: Glassdoor updated my profile to add my real name and location

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Post by playa1 »

I haven’t used Glassdoor for years. I just checked and my account didn’t have any personal information listed. My name and other fields in my profile were “*”

I didn’t see a way to delete my data but I don’t think they had much in the first place.

I did use the “deactivate account” option.

Re: Glassdoor updated my profile to add my real name and location

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

bri3d wrote: post #182
zug_zug wrote: post #10

If anybody doesn't think this is a problem, I overheard managers talking about a 3rd-party tool that finds "at risk employees" which they didn't define but said it included signals such as "they updated their linked in recently" as a signal that they may be on the job hunt. You better believe that data brokers are both interested in buying and selling any sort of information around your employment/job/interview behav…

I've never really seen retention risk tooling used for evil in the way that most HN readers seem to think it is; it's kind of interesting and eye-opening to me to see the strong negative sentiment towards it. I've worked in management at companies with risk-based retention tools, and I've always seen them used as just that... retention tools. If anything, getting a high risk score as a high performer would usually be…

I've never even heard of these tools before now, but my impression is the same as yours: the people they flag are more likely to be the kind of people that you want to keep.

Re: Glassdoor updated my profile to add my real name and location

#189

Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

throwaway918274 wrote: post #72
zug_zug wrote: post #10

If anybody doesn't think this is a problem, I overheard managers talking about a 3rd-party tool that finds "at risk employees" which they didn't define but said it included signals such as "they updated their linked in recently" as a signal that they may be on the job hunt. You better believe that data brokers are both interested in buying and selling any sort of information around your employment/job/interview behav…

Employers and recruiters are always bewildered when I say I don't have a LinkedIn account, or a public Github profile (I have a few tiny open source projects I maintain, but they are all pseudonymous) - and this is exactly why. I don't want people creeping any kind of "profile" of me. Ever.

My take is exactly the opposite: the more people who know that I exist, the more likely I am to hear of jobs that might interest me.

Let them creep all over my profile: so far the only downside is that I have a pile of messages to sort through and say "no, thanks" to.

Re: Glassdoor updated my profile to add my real name and location

#190

Post by shon »

vineyardmike wrote: post #126
xyzelement wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's an explanation that is both more charitable and more pragmatic. Companies try to keep employees happy and committed, and part of that is making sure they see a potential future / growth for themselves. As a manager I try to both make sure this is based in reality and that employees are picking up the message. I like to think I am good at this but it's a difficult skill, and external signal to "hey, yo…

> "You updated your linkedIn so I am going to fire you" You might be close to quitting (via perceived signal) so I’m going to give the high visibility project to someone “loyal”. You may be perceived as a quitter so I’m going to give discretionary budget for the next raise to the employee who is more loyal. You might be perceived as quitting, and my company requires me to stack rank employees. The lowest gets fired.…

Typically these tools are bought and used by HR or Talent Acq departments, not managers so the type of detailed decision-making you’re describing wasn’t a use-case in my experience.

It’s more like a roll-up metric that can be looked at globally, by role, department, location, etc. yes, it can also be used at the individual level but again, HR is the buyer and they are the most fearfully bureaucratic department in most companies .

From a data and capability perspective, I agree it’s a little scary. But in practice I doubt it’s used this way and if so, there’s your retention problem.

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